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size 2.0 happy justice as I call it and

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welcome to merge I'm Ryan Graves today

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we're joined by Kurt and jamungo Kurt is

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a filmmaker with a background in

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mathematical physics from the University

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of Toronto

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as the host of theories of everything

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podcast Kurt dissects topics on

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theoretical physics Consciousness God

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all the profound questions we tend to

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you for joining me here today you can

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introduce us to to what that podcast is

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and what you study sure so thanks

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firstly right it's great to meet you

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the podcast is called theories of

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everything and it's about physics and

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math and Consciousness but his theories

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of everything from a theoretical physics

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understanding or trying to asserting

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scientists spread merely professors and

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unidentified a novel as phenomenon so

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uh AIA UAP immigration Outreach

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the unknown of Science and where the

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direction we can take our understanding

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obsessive interest up to towels into

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treacherous question so okay so what

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theories of everything quantum mechanics

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scale limit of those laws and hopefully

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know or those is statements of those

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technical statements so how do we how do

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we build that bridge is where speaking

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of the

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and have you seen any of those potential

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Bridges through your understanding of

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you know your conversations that you've

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had with people about Consciousness or

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people about theories of everything I've

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been intimated several of those purchase

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whether or not it's explicit they can't

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say it feel what I intuited

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so

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nanza

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the end of the year 2022. what happened

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was we have Matt O'Dowd so someone from

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PBS space-time and then Richard Dolan

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and joffer veggie cognitive scientist

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along with Grant Cabra that and several

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other people who would never take a

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Motley Crew it's like a Gollum off read

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but never see these people together

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and then I was thinking well this is

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like this event that happens once a year

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for eight hours

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but then I realized you know if this

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happens

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every day hit my head because I speak to

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these people and I'm constantly relating

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what would this person say to this and I

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have emulations simulations and I throw

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back and forth and a bunch of it happens

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at a conceptual level it's difficult for

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me to say specifically sorry explicitly

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to disambique way disambiguous

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and I see these I see connections so one

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sometimes people ask us like hey what's

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your what what's your favorite toll

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and that's it's asked as if there are

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several different toes whereas the way

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that I'm saying it more and more is that

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almost each of these tolls are

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reflections of something underline it's

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deeper and it of course the

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analogy is like you know if you touch

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one person's touching the trunk and the

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other person's touching the tail of the

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leg they think they're different objects

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well I think it's I think it's more like

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much of the tilts that I'd

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read about and investigate they're

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getting complete so let's go

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the touch of the Tuscan solution

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but they're also

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defiled in some way so it's not a

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complete touching of the Tusk it's like

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someone's touching a toss but a window

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wiper at the same time and so like you

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need to remove all of my headsets it's

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like there's salt on the car and the

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windows need to be cleaned first so it's

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such a tricky topic I also don't think

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it's just touching I think that someone

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is experiencing rain and someone also

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smells a garden but it's all like the

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The Raid is the elephant shooting out

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water from its Tusk guitarist truck yeah

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and it seems like it's completely

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different

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that has nothing to do with feeling a

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wrong option

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for the upon one month once they get

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and it's called it's I see I didn't to

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make different relations I also see the

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the

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uh

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what's you know I imagine there's a

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spectrum of uh confidence you have and

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some of some of these to some degree

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um

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are there some that you are more likely

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to throw away that perhaps don't fit

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onto that map of the elephant quite yet

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uh that are more dollars would you say

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uh or whatever reason or they are

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somewhat circled around the same like up

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discount

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it's difficult for me to derive a

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subject even if I read it and I feel

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like okay this is clearly foolish I've

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been so

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bird in my past by me thinking that I

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knew what was right and wrong

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morally first to hinder but also

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cognitively like model wise

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and then having that Swept Away

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underneath me

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that it's difficult for me to say well

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that's complete BS

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yeah I don't scorn

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my mind is just

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I think temperamentally on the

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judgmental type who dismisses and

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derides

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and I train myself or we're

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from

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personal pain I've come to be much more

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slow with my judgments and withholding

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it's less about judgment whether you

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believe it's a ballot Theory or not but

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you suggested that a lot of these

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theories seem to be

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uh you know located around a mean or

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essentially around a centralized theme

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an elephant that you're touching

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different parts of right so that was

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suggest perhaps there are some that are

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a nautilus to that elephant they're

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outside of of that you know that median

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uh problem said that the those theories

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of everything I'm working on there's

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some that are completely out the lunch

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as far as

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conceptually or to our standard half

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physics right now that our novelist in a

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sense that it's not that law to throw it

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away it's just outside of our

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expectations to a higher degree than the

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others yeah there are some there's some

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that ain't tag if I feel like well one I

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need some prerequisite to understand

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this like mathematical prerequisite or

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like you mentioned both confidence and

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then I don't like to think of it like

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other let's just save FN up then I tag

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it to read later

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so I don't say no I just say

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question marks a little more question

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marks on it yeah we're good out what

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about that the individuals you've spoken

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to on The Theory of Everything podcast

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on on the T on the toe uh theme as well

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so uh do you have any kind of favorites

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or any anything that really stuck out to

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you beating some of these individuals

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because you've met some extremely high

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caliber you know theoretical physicists

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is that a mathematician is it you know

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go down the whole list this is

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not politically correct for me to say

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but it's it's not as if I have favorite

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swirl like I have just a few not

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favorites shoot so I'm repressed by 99

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mate 99 by the majority of guests uh

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I guess you know similar question

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applies on the Consciousness side were

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there any theories that were you know or

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outside of the spectrum of what you were

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expecting or initially Bernardo Castro's

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idealism which states that

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rather that the material is

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fundamentally you think of Consciousness

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is fundamental or percept it's

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fundamental or qualius fundamental or

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mind or for mental mentalities with

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mental but he has analytic idealism

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which is like a subset of idealism

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because I much like material is in his

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masses I deal up I think it's Fargo and

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that's the complexity doesn't give it

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any more reality to myself it's just

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some says or massed for when so but I

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could just be because I'm so trained as

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the material is front

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quite diversity that's just

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it's

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some Theory that's material Oracle is

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much more easy for any of us in the west

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yeah so I would say that

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are there any episodes that you think

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are kind of your

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best work or highlighted work on the

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conscious side that he'd like to share

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right now or you can Leonardo Castro's

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Donald Hoffman's and Ian McGill Chris

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those are especially the McGill first I

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mean Carl first again the conference in

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versus materialism he gives us a

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framework this is more of a framework

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okay Quantum deal the use of quantum

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field theory is a framework then the

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standard model is a specific quantity

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it's like that okay got it uh we'll put

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up the Gunners sure sure good were there

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any if you happen to watch any of the

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non-ufo or sorry you 18 so do you if you

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have watched any of the non-vee episode

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was there one that stuck out to you I

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really enjoy uh Donald software to work

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uh it's always interesting listening to

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his you know his take on uh

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to bot

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our inability to objectively of the

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reality uh because whenever I hear a

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talk on that topic it just gives me lots

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of interesting ideas you know there's

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just kind of lots of rabbit holes you go

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down so I think that's a great way of uh

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oops

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yeah exploring our own biases in a way

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that we may not be necessarily aware and

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of course we're all we're prone to so

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many biases but this is almost like a

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fundamental bias to you know a little

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biological level or you know uh

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a a mathematical level you know for the

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file the mathematics that run our

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biology unit revolution in a sentences

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so uh it's interesting that the realist

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perspective that

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the common sense realist perspective I'm

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not up to to meet up

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folk psychology realist perspectives the

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controversial one and now it's just

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accepted that

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if your theory doesn't incorporate

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somehow that your experience is an

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illusion of a sense that it's

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then it's a controversial Theory whereas

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prior now yeah it has been a switch well

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what do you think the primary push for

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that

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I think we suffer a flat date

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we hope to escape our suffering

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and

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one route to doing so is by sin that the

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suffering itself is an evolution

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that we despise suffering so much that

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we're willing to give up other assets

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that we love in order to escape from the

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suffering

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so this compulsory aspect and also

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writes the psychedelics result of the

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evolutionary ad but that mean selfie

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precipitated by

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a loss of meaning and culture across the

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decades a loss of transcendence of a

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feeling of being connected to something

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and also self-loading

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what I mean by that is that

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since the 50s or so

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we start to walk the yeast or at least

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what we think of as the East which is

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often a bastardization but at least it's

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not the West

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we start to think of the west as just

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wrong the number narsal Falls

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it's like a cultural self-moting

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I don't think the East sits around and

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thinks how Are We Wrong let's

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incorporate more of the west but we of

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the West there's this

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it's become it's Politically Incorrect

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to say almost any

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to give Credence to any metaphysical

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idea of the West we think of the East as

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much more

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by multiplication and complex and more

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and thus more real and that we're much

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more simple but it also could be related

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to that we just grew up in the west of

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what we think of as simple is just

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because we grew up with it much like

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English but fate it's a comprehend these

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sentences to imagine people you know

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living in various countries in Asia

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their culture is not overly complex to

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them it's just greatly natural and the

561
00:21:12,169 --> 00:21:09,000
less seeds you know chaotic increase

562
00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:12,179
except except now well for the past 1

563
00:21:16,490 --> 00:21:13,260
000 years or so there's the West

564
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,500
influence element East so

565
00:21:21,169 --> 00:21:18,720
they made me able to grasp the West much

566
00:21:23,150 --> 00:21:21,179
more readily than were able to rest the

567
00:21:24,770 --> 00:21:23,160
Beast

568
00:21:27,230 --> 00:21:24,780
do you think that that's a purely

569
00:21:30,409 --> 00:21:27,240
organic perception that we have or do

570
00:21:32,510 --> 00:21:30,419
you think that is influenced by you know

571
00:21:34,909 --> 00:21:32,520
international relations and interactions

572
00:21:36,649 --> 00:21:34,919
and you know social media attacks and

573
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,659
all the other influences that you know

574
00:21:41,149 --> 00:21:38,159
affect our culture do you think that's

575
00:21:44,750 --> 00:21:41,159
mostly an organic state of mind that we

576
00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:44,760
have for the East Coast was expected

577
00:21:50,690 --> 00:21:46,500
I think there's something new organic

578
00:21:55,010 --> 00:21:52,490
see there's this word Supernatural link

579
00:21:56,930 --> 00:21:55,020
God is Supernatural and religious belief

580
00:21:59,149 --> 00:21:56,940
is about the supernatural

581
00:22:03,830 --> 00:21:59,159
and I used to believe that too

582
00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:06,350
the H well not ancients though say thank

583
00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:08,580
you for writings is that God is the most

584
00:22:14,029 --> 00:22:11,580
Centro you can't say God is Supernatural

585
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,039
God is the most stand from

586
00:22:19,850 --> 00:22:16,320
if anything were the defiled versions or

587
00:22:22,970 --> 00:22:21,710
so maybe there's something inorganic

588
00:22:25,250 --> 00:22:22,980
about it

589
00:22:26,510 --> 00:22:25,260
and that when we're on a correct path we

590
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:26,520
feel that suffering we feel more

591
00:22:29,450 --> 00:22:27,600
connected

592
00:22:31,070 --> 00:22:29,460
and also by the way I don't think it's

593
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:31,080
all just about connection I think

594
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,640
there's a level of disconnectedness that

595
00:22:36,110 --> 00:22:34,320
has to occur as well

596
00:22:38,210 --> 00:22:36,120
and there's some mallets that were

597
00:22:41,390 --> 00:22:38,220
swaying that's like there's these

598
00:22:44,090 --> 00:22:41,400
cultural engines that sway

599
00:22:46,370 --> 00:22:44,100
Oneness swung

600
00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:46,380
toward the side of connectedness

601
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,299
private

602
00:22:51,289 --> 00:22:49,919
because we're so disconnected or we

603
00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:51,299
could be up this perception at this

604
00:22:54,649 --> 00:22:52,260
stage

605
00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:54,659
are we connected are we disconnected I

606
00:23:03,890 --> 00:23:00,470
I think we must be both but this is my

607
00:23:05,690 --> 00:23:03,900
present deliberation so my thoughts on

608
00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:05,700
this much like on a virtually any other

609
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,039
subject change week by week right now

610
00:23:12,110 --> 00:23:10,799
and first certain but certainly month by

611
00:23:14,330 --> 00:23:12,120
month

612
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,340
I remember when we spoke

613
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:16,799
I said that I

614
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:20,960
I'm so averse to being interviewed

615
00:23:27,890 --> 00:23:24,240
but first a casting don't need Senate

616
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,900
it's and second well the reason is that

617
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,760
almost all my thoughts are well this is

618
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:31,200
my first deliberation

619
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,240
and then my second one is intense to

620
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:38,880
thought and then that just escapes but I

621
00:23:43,010 --> 00:23:41,220
I don't identify with that but just say

622
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:43,020
he here's a possible

623
00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:48,250
how

624
00:23:52,430 --> 00:23:50,460
important do you fight

625
00:23:57,049 --> 00:23:52,440
the study of consciousness

626
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:57,059
extremely important uh yeah it is it is

627
00:24:00,850 --> 00:23:58,799
whether we

628
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:00,860
Miss fundamental to the universe or not

629
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:04,440
fundamental to our experience of it so

630
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,940
it's I think that's incredibly important

631
00:24:09,529 --> 00:24:07,919
and it's it's something that we really

632
00:24:13,490 --> 00:24:09,539
don't have a clean understanding you

633
00:24:15,289 --> 00:24:13,500
have what it is never mind uh what the

634
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:15,299
implications would be better knowing it

635
00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:17,580
would be right I think that's you know

636
00:24:21,470 --> 00:24:19,080
something we never even think about as

637
00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:21,480
well what what what derives from us

638
00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:23,100
better understanding of Consciousness is

639
00:24:27,890 --> 00:24:25,799
though is it cleaner better mind is it a

640
00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:27,900
better uh way of interacting with the

641
00:24:33,049 --> 00:24:30,780
universe is it uh is it up you know

642
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,059
being able to manage four thoughts or

643
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:35,039
more flexible I don't know what the

644
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,480
implications of a better understanding

645
00:24:39,289 --> 00:24:37,919
costs us off but whenever we do

646
00:24:40,450 --> 00:24:39,299
understand something we tweak it and

647
00:24:43,070 --> 00:24:40,460
make it better

648
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:43,080
so that's one thing like that which

649
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:48,710
I'm curious

650
00:24:57,649 --> 00:24:54,950
if this untrammeled investigation into

651
00:25:00,529 --> 00:24:57,659
Consciousness or if this is or any

652
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,539
endeavored scientifically

653
00:25:04,909 --> 00:25:02,880
will lead us to a positive place

654
00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:04,919
I think there's just this assumption

655
00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:07,320
that the more that we investigate that

656
00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:09,299
the better it will be and it's like a

657
00:25:12,649 --> 00:25:11,400
commitment that truth is positive in

658
00:25:14,510 --> 00:25:12,659
some way

659
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:14,520
or scientific truth is possible I don't

660
00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:20,570
year Rift irrefutable

661
00:25:24,110 --> 00:25:21,960
and so

662
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,120
for instance we developed the atomic

663
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:29,210
analyzing through the scientific method

664
00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:33,360
I don't think that was terribly wise

665
00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:37,260
same with certain chemicals

666
00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:40,380
chemicals is it virulence chemicals or

667
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:42,419
harsh

668
00:25:48,610 --> 00:25:45,600
or but we do it anyways right the March

669
00:25:51,409 --> 00:25:48,620
continues formed so uh whether on

670
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:51,419
individual analysis there

671
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:54,720
uh that's for our development we do have

672
00:26:00,049 --> 00:25:57,360
that drive to continue to create to do

673
00:26:01,610 --> 00:26:00,059
to do that so now

674
00:26:03,230 --> 00:26:01,620
that seems to be another thing that

675
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,240
we're almost out of control in a sense

676
00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:05,600
where our technological development

677
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:07,980
often or almost always and should say

678
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,200
progresses much faster than any type of

679
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:12,960
cultural development not bad we need to

680
00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:15,059
follow it in a sense yeah

681
00:26:20,090 --> 00:26:18,179
um one of the things I've thought about

682
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:20,100
personally is whether you know that

683
00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:21,600
would be the definition of advanced

684
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:23,640
Society the culture would be that their

685
00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:25,500
culture moves as fast as in technology

686
00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:27,900
or at least the technology waits for the

687
00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:30,539
culture to to need it to adapt so it's

688
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,279
being mature enough forward that's an

689
00:26:35,690 --> 00:26:34,080
interesting point do you think that and

690
00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:35,700
when you say culture advancing see the

691
00:26:40,610 --> 00:26:37,980
way I'd say that is is wisdom those are

692
00:26:42,649 --> 00:26:40,620
wisdom match your technology you see

693
00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:42,659
ourselves in the past as being more wise

694
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,720
than the present net uh I do not see you

695
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:48,000
speak not yet right so I think we're too

696
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,440
small of a Delta at this point we're

697
00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:51,120
still you know in the in the mix and the

698
00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:53,340
fury of invention moving technological

699
00:26:58,010 --> 00:26:56,100
problems for uh with little

700
00:26:59,810 --> 00:26:58,020
consideration from the societal cultural

701
00:27:01,850 --> 00:26:59,820
impacts of that technology that's just

702
00:27:03,529 --> 00:27:01,860
where we are now and that you know

703
00:27:04,909 --> 00:27:03,539
that's progressing faster and faster in

704
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:04,919
a set so

705
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:06,120
I don't know how that pendulum

706
00:27:12,169 --> 00:27:09,179
supposedly correction

707
00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:12,179
you know it's so fair I think about well

708
00:27:15,310 --> 00:27:13,799
how do you classify with some for the

709
00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:15,320
number audit like uh

710
00:27:24,590 --> 00:27:22,549
several rabbit holes I don't know if

711
00:27:26,990 --> 00:27:24,600
words

712
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:27,000
I hope to have a wise

713
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,740
I hope that we

714
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,720
people like Java baking an

715
00:27:34,909 --> 00:27:33,120
evidence-based Wizzle are extremely

716
00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:34,919
important to people like Dr Van dessert

717
00:27:39,289 --> 00:27:37,380
so people like them it's existed third

718
00:27:41,210 --> 00:27:39,299
person's concept

719
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,220
don't well that concept and driver make

720
00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:42,960
his work he and the Gilbert's work is

721
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:45,000
Extreme reports

722
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:47,460
this puts forward

723
00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:48,840
something that we don't like to talk

724
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:51,000
about which is morality if any and

725
00:27:54,830 --> 00:27:53,220
physicist body we despise talking about

726
00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:54,840
her talking about anything philosophical

727
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,299
same with mathematicians I was up this

728
00:28:01,789 --> 00:27:58,799
dinner with

729
00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:01,799
a couple mathematicians one of them went

730
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:03,659
to Washington and then this she was

731
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:05,700
tired it's like Jack Norway asked

732
00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:08,520
another rapid shlon so third man that's

733
00:28:12,409 --> 00:28:10,860
right up by it about this Consciousness

734
00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:12,419
something like Consciousness and then

735
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:14,039
she said

736
00:28:18,649 --> 00:28:16,020
yeah there's nothing I can't Define it

737
00:28:19,549 --> 00:28:18,659
ex specifically so I'm just that's I I

738
00:28:21,289 --> 00:28:19,559
don't think there's anything to

739
00:28:22,909 --> 00:28:21,299
contribute there but then I was like

740
00:28:24,289 --> 00:28:22,919
chat that's how Mac British is think

741
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:24,299
isn't it and this is a gym that's what

742
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,860
it colliders then the other threat came

743
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,600
back from the washer and then he asked

744
00:28:30,010 --> 00:28:28,799
them he's like what so what do you make

745
00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:30,020
Consciousness the hard problem

746
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:32,520
Consciousness he said to leave things

747
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:35,340
and after like 10 seconds he says no

748
00:28:39,470 --> 00:28:37,500
I can't Define apocaly so it's just not

749
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:39,480
interesting problem I don't really like

750
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,880
that's exactly what almost every

751
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:44,159
mathematician thinks if it's not defied

752
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:45,900
if it's still divide let's forget about

753
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:48,179
it however all of our ill-defied words

754
00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:50,460
firstly almost every day every single

755
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:51,720
thing that's important to us is

756
00:28:58,250 --> 00:28:56,340
ill-defined so wow for a spouse

757
00:29:00,289 --> 00:28:58,260
quality of conscious and theories

758
00:29:03,169 --> 00:29:00,299
objective experience as virtually every

759
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:03,179
single thing is guilt defined and the

760
00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:04,440
more that it matters the more that it

761
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:06,120
seems it will Define

762
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,100
and Mathematics is the domain of this

763
00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:10,799
specifically defined treatment

764
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:13,140
so there's there's there's a great

765
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:15,720
reason why those who are who have a

766
00:29:21,289 --> 00:29:19,260
proclivity to go toward the defied

767
00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:21,299
dislike the heel defined though there

768
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,620
are philosophers and Mathematics that

769
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:24,000
I'm super interested in how the heck did

770
00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:25,919
they come up with that personality could

771
00:29:31,130 --> 00:29:28,380
ceased involved well and

772
00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:31,140
so okay that's very interesting and I

773
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:33,179
would wonder if that relates to the UAP

774
00:29:39,889 --> 00:29:35,820
Topic at all uh at the least of some

775
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:39,899
degree uh often experiences in that area

776
00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:42,899
are subjective that's how

777
00:29:48,049 --> 00:29:45,480
Everyone is always looking for more

778
00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:48,059
objective data that we can utilize for

779
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,580
study and things of that nature uh

780
00:29:56,590 --> 00:29:52,799
you've had a number of people on your

781
00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:56,600
podcast until uh that were

782
00:30:00,590 --> 00:29:58,980
non-physicists things that nature you

783
00:30:02,210 --> 00:30:00,600
went strictly into the UAP topic so

784
00:30:03,230 --> 00:30:02,220
first off you know how did you make that

785
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:03,240
transition

786
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:05,940
uh maybe we can just stop there sure I

787
00:30:11,049 --> 00:30:08,640
wouldn't say one strictly oh no no yeah

788
00:30:14,269 --> 00:30:11,059
but yeah

789
00:30:15,649 --> 00:30:14,279
you were told you're dope you got it but

790
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:15,659
you were you were writing guests on that

791
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,240
were specific to the UAP topic first

792
00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:21,360
introducing the UAP topic to your you

793
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:23,220
know your physicist yes and think of

794
00:30:25,250 --> 00:30:24,000
that

795
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:25,260
yeah

796
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:27,000
we know there's this idea that there's a

797
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,559
stigma and this is something that I

798
00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:32,630
quite frequently

799
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:34,980
I don't think there is a stick one

800
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:40,010
there's something called a collective

801
00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:41,220
illusion and hurry of collective

802
00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:44,100
Illusions to fight it for us this is an

803
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:46,260
extremely important topic I think more

804
00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:48,600
abortion of Bones

805
00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:51,000
it's it's a bit difficult to explain so

806
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:52,980
let's say that you have a privately held

807
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:55,260
belief and then you act in contradiction

808
00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:56,940
with that belief

809
00:31:01,010 --> 00:30:58,919
in a manner that Comforts with how other

810
00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:01,020
people act but they so they share that

811
00:31:06,169 --> 00:31:04,020
contradictive public belief man but they

812
00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:06,179
also prior to be all the same belief in

813
00:31:11,630 --> 00:31:09,720
it so explain in other ways

814
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:11,640
you go along with the view that you

815
00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:13,740
believe other people share though they

816
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:15,419
don't share but they if you share

817
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:17,580
something along with it it's almost like

818
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,500
an emperor has no Clause except in that

819
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,120
one that's the primary aspect is top

820
00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:23,760
down like or whereas this one is bottom

821
00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:25,320
up

822
00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:26,820
for instance

823
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,500
some examples help

824
00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:31,200
in the 1960s the majority of people

825
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:32,580
worked

826
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,760
against segregation however publicly

827
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:37,440
they pretended that they were for it

828
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:39,720
because they believe their neighbors did

829
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,340
okay so it's

830
00:31:46,130 --> 00:31:43,679
it's dangerous in a in a sense for the

831
00:31:48,529 --> 00:31:46,140
present Collective Illusions they also

832
00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:48,539
so another Collective illusion is that

833
00:31:54,169 --> 00:31:49,740
we

834
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,179
what matters to the most people is

835
00:31:59,090 --> 00:31:56,159
wealth and status

836
00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:59,100
however in surveys actually what matters

837
00:32:02,690 --> 00:32:00,600
to us and also if you look at the way

838
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:02,700
people spend in times with the family it

839
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:04,200
prioritize family what they say they

840
00:32:08,029 --> 00:32:05,820
care about family and they spend for

841
00:32:09,889 --> 00:32:08,039
that and Simple Pleasures involved like

842
00:32:11,389 --> 00:32:09,899
eating at restaurants is so they don't

843
00:32:13,789 --> 00:32:11,399
actually care too much about someone's

844
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:13,799
wealth and status

845
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:15,480
now the danger is that the collective

846
00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:17,820
illusions of Our Generation

847
00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:20,460
become the reality of the next of the

848
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,020
Next Generation

849
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:24,720
so that is kids

850
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:27,000
here oh what matters most is weapon stat

851
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,860
and Status so then they're on Instagram

852
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,480
and then these deal horrible and then

853
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:32,399
and then that's what they chases the

854
00:32:36,769 --> 00:32:34,740
likes and the followers and subscribers

855
00:32:39,409 --> 00:32:36,779
to sing

856
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,419
I think stigma the stigma of UFOs is

857
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:42,000
like a collective illusion

858
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:44,580
and the reason I say that is that

859
00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:48,360
I can't say people's names

860
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:50,279
because they talk to me off air but

861
00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:52,380
several of the professors that I spoken

862
00:32:57,409 --> 00:32:54,120
to on the general professors Fields

863
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,389
award-winning professors don't say that

864
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:01,200
in mathematics would come to me

865
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:03,000
afterward to say okay that's great now

866
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:05,220
that we talked about the algebraths of

867
00:33:09,409 --> 00:33:07,740
solid the monster group and so on

868
00:33:10,610 --> 00:33:09,419
what the heck is coinless should we be

869
00:33:12,529 --> 00:33:10,620
talk but you know how come more people

870
00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:12,539
are talking about it and then they asked

871
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:14,039
me like prior to lean like hey so what

872
00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:15,480
copies do you put that stop being

873
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,980
extraordinary so in or I'd say

874
00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:18,960
extraordinary well made present The

875
00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:21,720
Liberation is like 70 but I'm included

876
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,460
with that something that the government

877
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:25,440
develops is extraordinary I still think

878
00:33:29,149 --> 00:33:26,940
if I ended the government and said that

879
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:29,159
that's absolutely fascinating so I'm not

880
00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:30,240
saying that's your crystals of all

881
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,500
future

882
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:33,120
and then they went maintenance oh I'm

883
00:33:40,610 --> 00:33:38,630
this is where I think that

884
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,620
programs like yours

885
00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:42,960
told to some degree other people's

886
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:45,899
podcasts and

887
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:48,720
and even New York Times 2017.

888
00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:52,620
our importance because they

889
00:33:57,769 --> 00:33:56,340
have people who are reputable and I

890
00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:57,779
don't even like that tournament like

891
00:34:00,889 --> 00:33:59,880
some versus more legitimate than another

892
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,899
person

893
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,880
we can talk about them after it

894
00:34:07,549 --> 00:34:05,519
regardless colloquially these are more

895
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:07,559
reputable quote-unquote

896
00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:11,280
talking about the UFO subject

897
00:34:15,169 --> 00:34:13,800
and

898
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,179
see I don't think we have a stigma

899
00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:17,520
problem I think we have a cowardice from

900
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:19,260
I think scientists are at the root of

901
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,000
them

902
00:34:25,129 --> 00:34:22,800
as soon as the study just makes the

903
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:25,139
subject legitimate by talking about it

904
00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:27,960
then the public sees the public sees

905
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:29,700
them as the as the people who ordain

906
00:34:34,070 --> 00:34:31,320
what is worthy of being spoken about

907
00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:34,080
with a legitimate in a

908
00:34:39,730 --> 00:34:36,419
in a non-anti-scientific way in a

909
00:34:42,829 --> 00:34:41,990
with this with what you're doing that's

910
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:42,839
great

911
00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:47,040
like if you're watching this

912
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:50,280
sometimes and I get this like maybe you

913
00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:52,379
get this too we're watching shows like

914
00:34:58,849 --> 00:34:56,040
with the heads of the UFO topic who else

915
00:35:01,730 --> 00:34:58,859
Gary Nolan and

916
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:01,740
and career and

917
00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:04,080
minimal town and so on and we're just

918
00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:05,580
watching we're like I apply new

919
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:07,380
information where is the new information

920
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,240
and then you're hoping maybe they still

921
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:11,040
about maybe they say something that you

922
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,420
could read between the lines where they

923
00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:14,160
explicitly say some new Spooks and then

924
00:35:19,370 --> 00:35:17,460
just the pop chapter left it in simply

925
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:19,380
but then you're just disappointed

926
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,480
constantly they're like oh oh my gosh

927
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,760
why am I watching this

928
00:35:28,490 --> 00:35:25,200
however

929
00:35:31,609 --> 00:35:28,500
I think that simply by watching

930
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:31,619
the views and the the normalization of

931
00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:34,260
this topic itself counts so even by

932
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:36,300
watching this is like the nurse Kronk

933
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:38,040
this is like a necessary precondition

934
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,500
for disclosure to occur

935
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,480
okay so I think it goes like this and

936
00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:44,400
the word reverse prop is important it's

937
00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:46,500
another fourth quarter it is

938
00:35:50,089 --> 00:35:48,359
Daniel Dennis said that Christianity was

939
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,099
the nurse crop of Science and that's

940
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,800
cops purchasing he said on anything what

941
00:35:57,170 --> 00:35:54,960
it means is that why did sides develop

942
00:36:00,410 --> 00:35:57,180
in the west well firstly to think about

943
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:00,420
the West developing science is a bit of

944
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:05,990
but that's in Broad stroke say that that

945
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:07,740
occurred why well there is something

946
00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:09,960
about Christianity and and found him in

947
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,060
the sacred is seen structure behind

948
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:14,160
reality and that the church funding

949
00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:16,740
investigation into Natural Science

950
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,599
before it was a consign letter plus

951
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:21,359
speak to him and so he said while he

952
00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:22,740
dislikes Christianity because he

953
00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:23,940
dislikes all religion he's a

954
00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:26,820
Christianity he seems to be a nurse crop

955
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:32,569
I think that in scientists is talking

956
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,960
about UFOs or sorry or uads either the

957
00:36:42,490 --> 00:36:38,880
fact that I have to say sorry because

958
00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:42,500
that word is so scorned and so

959
00:36:47,870 --> 00:36:45,240
disparaged even Matt is like that so

960
00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:47,880
that's an issue regardless scientists

961
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,520
talking about uaps

962
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,800
I think

963
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:54,480
those in the steps this is

964
00:36:59,450 --> 00:36:56,760
mathematicians

965
00:37:00,650 --> 00:36:59,460
they they have such a responsibility and

966
00:37:02,569 --> 00:37:00,660
they didn't they don't they didn't know

967
00:37:04,849 --> 00:37:02,579
they didn't come into this knowing that

968
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:04,859
they have a vital position to play in

969
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,480
society which came into it because they

970
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:09,119
they like positive because I am

971
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,460
but now they have a role a huge role to

972
00:37:15,230 --> 00:37:13,440
play I think they're the nurse I think

973
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,240
it starts with that and it becomes

974
00:37:18,890 --> 00:37:17,040
legitimate and then the government will

975
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:18,900
talk about it more further

976
00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:20,880
we think of the government as this big

977
00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:24,300
daddy as this big brother or big mother

978
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:26,940
and us as children need to go to said

979
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,680
father Lord

980
00:37:31,609 --> 00:37:30,000
or mother

981
00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:31,619
but I think we're not children I think

982
00:37:36,050 --> 00:37:34,020
we're teens that are so close to it

983
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:36,060
drinking age so close so close to

984
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,040
driving it's hopefully not being blocked

985
00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:43,010
good what what Egypt we're the one even

986
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:45,060
if the government discloses what the

987
00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:46,800
heck does disclosure mean they talk

988
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,420
about that too even if the government

989
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:50,160
dissolves it it's not like will to be

990
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:51,900
for the government we want to verify

991
00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:53,460
what the government says whether they

992
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:55,320
say we have no bodies we have no craft

993
00:37:59,569 --> 00:37:57,420
they're like yeah I prove it we have to

994
00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:59,579
yeah prove it so no matter what if I

995
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:01,079
have to go down to the scientific body

996
00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:03,420
at some point and then from there to an

997
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:04,500
open mic

998
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:07,140
yep I I agree with you you know one of

999
00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:08,160
the things I've been seeing through the

1000
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,960
work that I've been doing is I've been

1001
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:11,520
using a slightly different term here's

1002
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,140
just I'm sure much more accurate but

1003
00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:15,359
just kind of a latent interest in this

1004
00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:16,859
topic like you said people are

1005
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,260
interested in this at a personal level

1006
00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:22,320
but just as you describe uh there's uh

1007
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:24,180
there's that wall that social wall where

1008
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:25,440
people don't seem to want to engage

1009
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:28,800
because the expectation is uh you know

1010
00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:30,900
embarrassment or ridicule or something

1011
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:32,820
of that nature I I Loosely just call

1012
00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:35,520
that stigma but uh when I've been seeing

1013
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,560
are people reaching out and engaging on

1014
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:39,599
this topic much like you know you spoke

1015
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:41,579
to uh you know once the mic's off people

1016
00:38:47,089 --> 00:38:44,280
want to engage on this topic I've been

1017
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,099
seeing that happen more and more and uh

1018
00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:49,440
at the American history of Aeronautics

1019
00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:51,180
and astronautic uh we've been getting

1020
00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:53,400
some of the long-time career scientists

1021
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,460
engineers within the Aerospace industry

1022
00:39:00,349 --> 00:38:58,320
and elsewhere that are kind of over that

1023
00:39:01,730 --> 00:39:00,359
home you can say and are kind of putting

1024
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:01,740
their name on the line and understanding

1025
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:04,020
up that he'll figure this out the proof

1026
00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:06,540
errors a safety to do himself and so you

1027
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:07,619
know I don't think it's evenly

1028
00:39:11,329 --> 00:39:09,720
distributed but I think we are seeing a

1029
00:39:13,069 --> 00:39:11,339
very positive trend where people are

1030
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,079
willing to kind of step out onto that

1031
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,880
onto that ledge if you will and say Hey

1032
00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:17,040
you know we're just gonna do objective

1033
00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:18,780
science on this and all let's see you

1034
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:20,760
know it's another that we have in front

1035
00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:21,599
of us

1036
00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:24,180
what I'm super interested in it's not

1037
00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:27,180
just investigating uaps but what the

1038
00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:29,700
heck could that mean for science

1039
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,280
at the methodology size so I talk about

1040
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:35,040
size 2.0 or average losses which I be

1041
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:38,040
just select the Eastern wave the Eastern

1042
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:39,720
mold knowing it that narcissist of

1043
00:40:00,770 --> 00:39:55,730
different religious beasts are already

1044
00:40:00,780 --> 00:40:05,630
if you have non-repeatable events

1045
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:08,089
that you can't falsify as you have to

1046
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:09,599
incorporate someone that's anecdot too

1047
00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:12,180
how the heck do you make that comport

1048
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,180
with science correctly in Kent science

1049
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,040
requires repeatability and false by

1050
00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:22,790
but science this is why I think that the

1051
00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:25,320
disadvantage that we see in uabs such as

1052
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:27,660
these anomalous events is our

1053
00:40:32,329 --> 00:40:29,880
opportunity

1054
00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:32,339
so the quantum mechanics

1055
00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:34,980
okay we see this the we can't directly

1056
00:40:40,609 --> 00:40:37,500
observe these two APS

1057
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:40,619
relied they will call all

1058
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:43,200
except nice old cases

1059
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:44,640
in quantum mechanics there's something

1060
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:46,020
called weak measurements that was

1061
00:40:48,890 --> 00:40:47,460
invented in order to get some

1062
00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:48,900
information about the wave function

1063
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,060
without collapsing technically without

1064
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,280
Deco hearing it

1065
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:55,440
and and that was developed because

1066
00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:57,359
there's that weakness in one of again so

1067
00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:58,920
he can't observe without changing or

1068
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:01,140
clocks into Airport

1069
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:02,760
so what we thought of as a weakness

1070
00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:04,320
ended up becoming a technological

1071
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:07,740
Revolution well I well has had heavy

1072
00:41:13,069 --> 00:41:10,079
implications of fought in Computing and

1073
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:13,079
Quantum information Theory

1074
00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:16,560
and even dark matter he kept directly

1075
00:41:20,810 --> 00:41:18,540
observed Dark Matter again as

1076
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:20,820
we may alter a fundamental loss to

1077
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,740
incorporate them

1078
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:24,960
or discovering embargo or or see

1079
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:27,119
indirectly as influence I think we have

1080
00:41:32,329 --> 00:41:30,480
an opportunity here to I don't know what

1081
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:32,339
the heck this looks like I think that

1082
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:34,440
science right now is like a precise like

1083
00:41:38,569 --> 00:41:36,900
a previous Aristotelian sites it's at

1084
00:41:41,089 --> 00:41:38,579
that stage and it's going to develop

1085
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,099
into something else

1086
00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:42,960
but what we're doing right now is we're

1087
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,720
well we're laying some Relic

1088
00:41:49,849 --> 00:41:47,760
super interesting what the heck is size

1089
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,859
2.0 given science has developed to what

1090
00:41:53,950 --> 00:41:51,599
it is now it didn't just encourage from

1091
00:41:56,930 --> 00:41:53,960
a wobble there's a history of science

1092
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:56,940
textbooks takes chapters takes

1093
00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:59,280
often bookshelves

1094
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:01,619
have any potential problems in our world

1095
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,780
right now that you think would be

1096
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:05,280
problems that would be solved about this

1097
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:08,760
type of 2.0 signs you know so obviously

1098
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:11,160
the one to buy it is uabs you don't do

1099
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,260
what keys are mystery to us and again

1100
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,359
they're Anonymous phenomenal which is a

1101
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:17,520
assign you know a scientific term of

1102
00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:19,260
anomalous data things of that nature are

1103
00:42:24,530 --> 00:42:21,180
our opportunities for Discovery and for

1104
00:42:26,089 --> 00:42:24,540
moving things forward uh and people may

1105
00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:26,099
hear a novelist and Allah think of that

1106
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:28,740
purely from a kind of sci-fi-ish angle

1107
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,599
or something of that nature but perhaps

1108
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,680
you could talk for a minute to what

1109
00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:33,359
would you hear a novelist phenomena from

1110
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:35,220
a scientific perspective why is that

1111
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:37,800
important information

1112
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:40,320
whose scientific perspective

1113
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:42,660
it's not

1114
00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:44,040
from

1115
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,020
a scientists perspective which is

1116
00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:48,240
different by the way excited scientific

1117
00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:50,520
respect is just the methodology or the

1118
00:42:54,109 --> 00:42:53,160
scientific method with the scientist has

1119
00:43:26,450 --> 00:42:54,119
a

1120
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:26,460
I don't remember one ferment title

1121
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:28,680
though some conscience or eight to that

1122
00:43:34,609 --> 00:43:30,660
is

1123
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:38,390
it's a difficult prong and so it should

1124
00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:40,680
we well everyone has their own very

1125
00:43:45,470 --> 00:43:42,780
latches but it

1126
00:43:47,089 --> 00:43:45,480
for myself I'm just super interested in

1127
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,099
it it's like this huge path I've always

1128
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:49,440
been interested in Puzzles so as a kid I

1129
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:51,480
just buff like Rubik's Cubes I like

1130
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,339
Putnam problems and mad like playing

1131
00:43:56,809 --> 00:43:55,440
around with like logic puzzles and

1132
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:56,819
paradoxes

1133
00:44:00,050 --> 00:43:58,380
I also think there's something to do

1134
00:44:02,510 --> 00:44:00,060
with Paradox it's your mind awake which

1135
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:02,520
we can talk about it by flight I knew

1136
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:04,260
either heroes or at some other point

1137
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:06,540
Paradox is super interesting there's

1138
00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:08,940
something paradoxical Happening Here by

1139
00:44:13,309 --> 00:44:10,980
the way the way Mac was is that you

1140
00:44:14,990 --> 00:44:13,319
allow would construct math in such a way

1141
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:15,000
that there's no contradiction it's a

1142
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,680
little body and then take logic as the

1143
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:19,200
base but you allow that what develops

1144
00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:21,660
from epicotron into common sense so that

1145
00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:23,160
is you take the logical basis more

1146
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:25,800
fundamental

1147
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,660
however there are the art clinical

1148
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:29,760
logical paradoxes so then what's more

1149
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:31,859
fundamental than logic There's A

1150
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:33,900
Treatise on bright right now just so I

1151
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:35,640
can understand it better if it common

1152
00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:37,140
sense in a book form I don't know but

1153
00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:38,579
it's like a disposition a personal

1154
00:44:42,730 --> 00:44:39,780
disposition

1155
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:42,740
on paradoxes interpretations

1156
00:44:49,609 --> 00:44:46,859
yeah so a big book yeah oh man

1157
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:49,619
well okay so that kind of I can see how

1158
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:51,780
you would be motivated to look into the

1159
00:44:58,190 --> 00:44:54,720
UAP topic then you know say it is a

1160
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,200
puzzle and it's difficult so

1161
00:45:02,690 --> 00:44:59,760
you know have you we talked about

1162
00:45:05,809 --> 00:45:02,700
bridges between Consciousness and and

1163
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:05,819
Toes uh have you seen any purges between

1164
00:45:11,569 --> 00:45:09,200
UAP and Consciousness or or toes as well

1165
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:11,579
I hear that

1166
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,599
uaps and Consciousness and as far as I

1167
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:17,040
can tell it means that if you perform

1168
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:19,740
something like ce5 when you get in

1169
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,180
contact with

1170
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:23,760
suppose for assets looking cut the

1171
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:26,400
aliens on extraterrestrials and ce5 is a

1172
00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:27,900
meditating technique or devolves

1173
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:29,880
meditation or Falls Shinto whatever it

1174
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,740
may be something Consciousness related

1175
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:33,599
so that's one of Graces where also

1176
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:34,680
because some people could take

1177
00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:36,300
psychedelics and they believed capturing

1178
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:38,460
what is akin to something

1179
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:41,220
extraterrestrials so

1180
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:43,140
that's as far as the connection between

1181
00:45:47,329 --> 00:45:45,660
uaps and Consciousness and then also be

1182
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:47,339
making association between what they've

1183
00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:49,980
encountered in what's behind

1184
00:45:56,450 --> 00:45:52,920
what's seeing on great art

1185
00:46:01,010 --> 00:45:58,609
and first of us

1186
00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:01,020
so that's though as far as I could tell

1187
00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:03,000
that's the connection you're good

1188
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:04,680
does it go further than that isn't

1189
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,359
explicated like

1190
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:08,880
Donald Hoffman's Theory which is their

1191
00:46:13,790 --> 00:46:10,500
paper on it that makes a connection

1192
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,800
between you like these and consciousness

1193
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:15,359
there may be so there's some people

1194
00:46:20,329 --> 00:46:18,060
there's Jack sarfati because uh

1195
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:20,339
a physicist or a piece of fun at this

1196
00:46:22,370 --> 00:46:21,119
assistant

1197
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,380
at least

1198
00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:24,720
and then there's Hal put off and Herod

1199
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:25,800
Davis

1200
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,880
Salvatore Pius and Gene Pierre Petit and

1201
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:31,680
they have their own theories

1202
00:46:37,069 --> 00:46:35,640
and so maybe and in the future

1203
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:37,079
something I'd like to work on the seat

1204
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:39,720
screen their theories together groups

1205
00:46:44,089 --> 00:46:41,460
The Churchill

1206
00:46:46,609 --> 00:46:44,099
because what and like

1207
00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:46,619
Ryan would you must feel as you do is

1208
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:50,520
solve for solver for both so lucky

1209
00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:58,490
almost whoever we want almost

1210
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,370
I just and sit with them for hours so I

1211
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:03,780
have so someone like Eric Davis or Jack

1212
00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:06,560
Jack sarfati or

1213
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:09,000
they may not be able to speak to Penrose

1214
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,339
but I may be able to speak to animals of

1215
00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:12,960
them soon so I can look at their

1216
00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:15,000
equations and I can pose it to him and

1217
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:17,220
hear what he thinks and thus have a Tom

1218
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,960
Manza in my head between these people

1219
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:21,359
it's just it's such a

1220
00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:23,400
it's such a privilege right have you

1221
00:47:26,809 --> 00:47:25,319
considered mixing that up to a greater

1222
00:47:29,089 --> 00:47:26,819
degree

1223
00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:29,099
as far as those those communities set up

1224
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:31,260
and then yes did do it after the Bonanza

1225
00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:34,260
but you know even more so perhaps I I

1226
00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:35,579
think that's happening I think it's

1227
00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:37,260
happening slow I think what you're doing

1228
00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:39,060
is like

1229
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:48,470
on a on a dry seal

1230
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:51,470
and they for some reason I don't like

1231
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,560
the word normalization or

1232
00:47:59,390 --> 00:47:54,480
destigmatization but those only words I

1233
00:48:02,809 --> 00:48:01,010
because it's the frequency at which

1234
00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:02,819
these conversations are put out in such

1235
00:48:06,050 --> 00:48:04,260
a way that isn't

1236
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:06,060
what the History Channel portrays as

1237
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:08,220
Ancient Aliens which is what we think of

1238
00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:10,140
as that's anti-sides that's a

1239
00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:12,300
distraction that's Sensational that's

1240
00:48:17,390 --> 00:48:14,280
illegitimate

1241
00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:17,400
that is mass delusion and hallucinations

1242
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:19,740
or whatever it may be but public or the

1243
00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:21,839
general pubic

1244
00:48:26,030 --> 00:48:23,880
well this is steaming people I'll beat

1245
00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:26,040
your presence after install it

1246
00:48:34,130 --> 00:48:32,210
conversations podcast interviews

1247
00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:34,140
even by watching them showing that

1248
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,640
there's interest in it that's why I'm

1249
00:48:40,010 --> 00:48:37,920
saying that it's not just me and you or

1250
00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:40,020
or people who are on the screens people

1251
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,540
who are watching who are listening if

1252
00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:44,880
they this would be nothing without that

1253
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,440
so when they were watching they've

1254
00:48:49,609 --> 00:48:48,240
disappointed much like iron all the time

1255
00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:49,619
by

1256
00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:53,099
from the lack of disclosure disclosure

1257
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,890
in some sense this is on the Earth's

1258
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,760
chronic

1259
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,440
the reason I cook disclosure in

1260
00:49:05,210 --> 00:49:03,599
quotations is because we think of the

1261
00:49:07,309 --> 00:49:05,220
government as disposing but the more

1262
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:07,319
that I investigate this the more that I

1263
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:08,940
see the government's fractionate into

1264
00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:11,160
their actions and so it's like a game of

1265
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,839
broken telephone where you don't even

1266
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:14,400
have access to the original message to

1267
00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:17,400
compare and laugh and plus their their

1268
00:49:20,690 --> 00:49:19,380
competing factions some don't want

1269
00:49:22,490 --> 00:49:20,700
information to come out some want

1270
00:49:24,890 --> 00:49:22,500
altered information to come out some

1271
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:24,900
want more money we say yeah it's in a

1272
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:27,119
black budget it's in the black budget b

1273
00:49:29,809 --> 00:49:28,500
black budget as if there's just one

1274
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:29,819
black budget Department of the

1275
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:33,890
so it's

1276
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,700
I'm so

1277
00:49:40,849 --> 00:49:38,400
not surprised that these reports are

1278
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,859
think that they give

1279
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,440
little way other than saying that there

1280
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:45,119
are anomalous objects and that seems to

1281
00:49:48,349 --> 00:49:46,079
be from us

1282
00:49:49,609 --> 00:49:48,359
and and I like the work of John

1283
00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:49,619
Greenwald

1284
00:49:56,450 --> 00:49:53,940
requests Voya puts in Voya requests

1285
00:49:58,910 --> 00:49:56,460
I enjoy I enjoy all the perspectives and

1286
00:50:00,829 --> 00:49:58,920
enjoy the Skeptics I like big West I

1287
00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:00,839
like Stephen

1288
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:03,540
green streets and

1289
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:05,640
I just I just like to hear every

1290
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:11,030
it's just it I it's almost like a like

1291
00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:13,560
Sherlock Holmes Sherlock Holmes he

1292
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:15,180
doesn't say I'm gonna discount that

1293
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,920
testimonial I'm gonna discount that

1294
00:50:20,930 --> 00:50:19,440
almost nothing is discounted he rarely

1295
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:20,940
says he doesn't even think of data voice

1296
00:50:24,670 --> 00:50:22,560
thanks for in terms of Clues so that's

1297
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:24,680
the way that I see this third clones

1298
00:50:29,089 --> 00:50:27,240
it's like I'm a Sherlock Holmes of

1299
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:29,099
physics primarily I can't sing different

1300
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,599
Clues try to put them together to come

1301
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:32,640
up with a singular solution but then as

1302
00:50:36,650 --> 00:50:34,740
I start to investigate this just trying

1303
00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:36,660
to see is

1304
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:39,060
you start off with a very most

1305
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:40,800
conjectural treat and then you Whittle

1306
00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:42,420
it down

1307
00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:44,339
at certain evidence certain absence of

1308
00:50:48,109 --> 00:50:45,660
evidence skinless

1309
00:50:50,030 --> 00:50:48,119
Nova the dog and giraffe owns The

1310
00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:50,040
Barking Dog you remember that yep yeah

1311
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:52,680
so okay so servings doesn't know about

1312
00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:56,160
it there was I forgot the story and just

1313
00:50:59,089 --> 00:50:57,540
remember the punchline which is that

1314
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,099
there was a dog some have wounded dog

1315
00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:00,960
and I guess someone broke in or there's

1316
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,140
some transgression property

1317
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,480
but the dog didn't bark and then most

1318
00:51:10,910 --> 00:51:08,400
people just ignored that Sherlock Holmes

1319
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,920
but fixed and all that said the Duncan

1320
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,200
bark why because dogs don't bark at

1321
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:15,599
people that they know so therefore this

1322
00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:17,460
must be someone that is familiar with

1323
00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:20,280
the dot where dogs familiar with

1324
00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:23,460
that'll all that's like a bicep inside

1325
00:51:28,910 --> 00:51:25,619
you talk to a lot of people both in the

1326
00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:28,920
the toe World cautious world and uh the

1327
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,020
UAP slash UFO world

1328
00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:33,599
uh and you're you know you're Gathering

1329
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:35,640
a lot of information from a lot of a lot

1330
00:51:39,290 --> 00:51:37,740
of Minds a lot of stories

1331
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:39,300
you know what what are you putting

1332
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:40,800
together from now I think we have a p

1333
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:46,670
it's a great question

1334
00:51:49,549 --> 00:51:48,000
you're a great interview of the

1335
00:51:51,049 --> 00:51:49,559
interviewer by the way thank you I

1336
00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:51,059
appreciate that I'm just having a

1337
00:51:55,730 --> 00:51:52,920
conversation just trying to be thought

1338
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,740
okay here great

1339
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,839
person in a discussion very good all

1340
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:00,240
right thank you you are as well

1341
00:52:11,870 --> 00:52:08,329
I see contradictions so firstly I see

1342
00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:11,880
Contra reaches 28 places like one I the

1343
00:52:16,130 --> 00:52:13,740
population is extremely interested in

1344
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:16,140
the subject yet there's little Hughes

1345
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:18,420
coverage

1346
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,460
we governments

1347
00:52:25,010 --> 00:52:21,839
has been

1348
00:52:28,809 --> 00:52:25,020
well silent but also contradictory

1349
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,609
this you this UAP phenomenal that

1350
00:52:36,770 --> 00:52:33,839
appears to some people and not others

1351
00:52:39,710 --> 00:52:36,780
apparently it's widespread yet

1352
00:52:42,049 --> 00:52:39,720
with photos that are accessible by the

1353
00:52:43,849 --> 00:52:42,059
public there's few that are

1354
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:43,859
that you can look at to say wow okay

1355
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:46,500
that's great that's something

1356
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,700
there's always something I wanted to

1357
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:49,920
breathe to itself but if you did though

1358
00:53:00,770 --> 00:52:58,190
so there are contradictions

1359
00:53:02,750 --> 00:53:00,780
whether they're

1360
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:02,760
true contradictions and ends in a b

1361
00:53:09,049 --> 00:53:05,760
sense like logical contradictions

1362
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:10,549
doesn't seem like these two should

1363
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,700
comport

1364
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,440
I don't know I need to think about that

1365
00:53:16,849 --> 00:53:15,119
some more but that's why one of the

1366
00:53:19,130 --> 00:53:16,859
reasons that I'm super interested in

1367
00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:19,140
size 2.0 happy justice as I call it and

1368
00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:27,589
and try to resolve Paradox or see what's

1369
00:53:33,049 --> 00:53:29,940
underneath paradoxes

1370
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,059
I think or at least I'm betting my time

1371
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:36,000
my heterogene that

1372
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:39,839
that's a place that'll move the deal for

1373
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:41,940
that's my present deliberation other

1374
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:44,339
specific paradoxes in the UAP grown a

1375
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:45,300
little different than contradictions

1376
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:47,400
perhaps but are there for specific

1377
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:49,140
paradoxes that you think you've

1378
00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:52,260
identified duap marks I mean you just

1379
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,700
name something yeah I don't know if

1380
00:53:57,770 --> 00:53:55,920
there's you went through some that are

1381
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,780
you know kind of other edges of the

1382
00:54:01,370 --> 00:53:59,520
spectrum but not necessarily Peridot

1383
00:54:03,770 --> 00:54:01,380
because I think there's you know there's

1384
00:54:04,490 --> 00:54:03,780
a logical Pathway to explain that

1385
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:04,500
um

1386
00:54:08,809 --> 00:54:06,660
see Frank I'm not quite sure what the

1387
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,819
exact definition of the two the Delta

1388
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,280
between the two would be uh but anyways

1389
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:13,920
maybe you could smoke

1390
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:16,800
the paradoxes

1391
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:19,380
a few UFOs

1392
00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:21,420
as they relate to

1393
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,460
consciousness

1394
00:54:31,309 --> 00:54:25,440
it's one that I can spiritually say

1395
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:33,410
it's difficult for me to get out

1396
00:54:38,510 --> 00:54:34,740
wait it's

1397
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:38,520
just some amount of Terror okay

1398
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:41,400
this topic is not a fun topic like in

1399
00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:45,240
some ways it's fun but it's not a

1400
00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:46,980
it's fun in the way that a roller

1401
00:54:49,490 --> 00:54:48,180
coaster is fun so if there's some

1402
00:54:51,470 --> 00:54:49,500
acceleration to it but there's also

1403
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:51,480
Terror the roller coaster has much more

1404
00:54:55,609 --> 00:54:53,040
acceleration

1405
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:55,619
playfulness to it wait imagine you're on

1406
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:56,640
a roll call so you didn't know this is

1407
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,960
made by coffee no if there's safety

1408
00:55:01,790 --> 00:54:59,760
checks they're gonna be able to freaked

1409
00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:01,800
the heck out yeah that's a very good way

1410
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,380
to put it weird on

1411
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,240
that's what it's like and that's

1412
00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:08,880
something else that I think

1413
00:55:14,510 --> 00:55:10,859
May

1414
00:55:15,890 --> 00:55:14,520
be I don't know fullness back is still a

1415
00:55:19,010 --> 00:55:15,900
great way of thinking about it but it's

1416
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:19,020
something that's not considered enough

1417
00:55:25,549 --> 00:55:22,319
if you can't think of a way in which

1418
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:25,559
study this topic or study any topic

1419
00:55:30,589 --> 00:55:28,319
can lead to a place where you would beg

1420
00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:30,599
to not have known to answer it

1421
00:55:35,809 --> 00:55:33,960
so bag and sleep for something to rewind

1422
00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:35,819
tide

1423
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,740
then you're not thinking seriously

1424
00:55:42,349 --> 00:55:40,319
enough about the topic these people in

1425
00:55:44,030 --> 00:55:42,359
the GI are not doing that enough people

1426
00:55:45,470 --> 00:55:44,040
they should be more ethics than in the

1427
00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:45,480
eye I think they're going to burn their

1428
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:46,859
hands much like Einstein said I'm gonna

1429
00:55:50,089 --> 00:55:48,660
burn I wish I'd burn what has before

1430
00:55:51,770 --> 00:55:50,099
inventing

1431
00:55:55,069 --> 00:55:51,780
E equals and this word or signing off

1432
00:55:56,809 --> 00:55:55,079
that they should invest in until God

1433
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:56,819
yeah if you can't do that thought

1434
00:56:01,790 --> 00:55:59,760
experiment to find the bounce then

1435
00:56:05,809 --> 00:56:01,800
I don't think

1436
00:56:10,270 --> 00:56:07,670
do you think that there's a wall out

1437
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:10,280
there on the UAP topic that is either

1438
00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:13,260
psychological or social that you know

1439
00:56:17,150 --> 00:56:15,480
requires us to be ready for particular

1440
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,160
information so and that is easier to get

1441
00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:19,680
over celebration destined

1442
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:22,680
so that we can investigate it properly

1443
00:56:26,809 --> 00:56:24,900
and consider what the heck are we doing

1444
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:26,819
what does it mean to investigate then

1445
00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:28,559
how should we be investigating compared

1446
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:29,940
to the Dark Forest

1447
00:56:34,370 --> 00:56:31,760
yes

1448
00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:34,380
so do you would you like to explain it

1449
00:56:38,930 --> 00:56:37,260
over here too so

1450
00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:38,940
I'll give up

1451
00:56:43,609 --> 00:56:42,059
form into the site on the story

1452
00:56:45,170 --> 00:56:43,619
there's this set of books by a Chinese

1453
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,180
author called the remembrance bread

1454
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,480
that's passively and it's a so at least

1455
00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:49,680
a three-part series I think there's a

1456
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:51,240
fourth but it was Wednesday market for

1457
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,140
gardens

1458
00:56:59,630 --> 00:56:54,480
the

1459
00:57:02,450 --> 00:56:59,640
2100 something like that I'm going to

1460
00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:02,460
clock together several pieces of

1461
00:57:08,569 --> 00:57:04,920
of the story and make four people one

1462
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:09,829
there's this

1463
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:12,960
scientist who finds a way to communicate

1464
00:57:18,109 --> 00:57:14,700
to

1465
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,119
universe

1466
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,160
she does so the way that she does this

1467
00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:21,839
she shoots some Ray to the sun and it

1468
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,540
spans and she says hey come help us

1469
00:57:30,530 --> 00:57:27,359
we're here we're at we're on Earth

1470
00:57:32,930 --> 00:57:30,540
she gets a message back by the way this

1471
00:57:34,609 --> 00:57:32,940
is this whole story is about one way of

1472
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,619
interpreting it is one is an

1473
00:57:37,849 --> 00:57:36,480
explanationist to the Furby Paradox that

1474
00:57:39,950 --> 00:57:37,859
is why I don't see more intelligence

1475
00:57:42,349 --> 00:57:39,960
place out of it here's

1476
00:57:44,690 --> 00:57:42,359
something to say she gets a message back

1477
00:57:47,089 --> 00:57:44,700
and it says

1478
00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:47,099
if you know what's good for you

1479
00:57:53,930 --> 00:57:50,220
don't send me any more messages

1480
00:57:55,370 --> 00:57:53,940
I am benevolved but this place is not

1481
00:57:57,049 --> 00:57:55,380
be careful

1482
00:57:58,790 --> 00:57:57,059
she sits and thinks with it for a while

1483
00:58:01,250 --> 00:57:58,800
and she says

1484
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:01,260
you know what Ping she said is not the

1485
00:58:08,569 --> 00:58:04,559
best Earth is so barbaric and truculent

1486
00:58:10,910 --> 00:58:08,579
Savage we need saving this is there's

1487
00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:10,920
too much fighting the humans humans are

1488
00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:13,260
are not great people and governments are

1489
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,180
not great

1490
00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:18,000
okay that person who sent the message

1491
00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:19,619
that said like be careful don't don't

1492
00:58:23,569 --> 00:58:21,300
send me more messages at first it was

1493
00:58:26,089 --> 00:58:23,579
like a rogue scientist from this other

1494
00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:26,099
civilization that person gets executed

1495
00:58:29,630 --> 00:58:28,020
because they were they were also been

1496
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:29,640
notifying everyone else they hate the

1497
00:58:33,290 --> 00:58:31,200
book before the nest

1498
00:58:35,450 --> 00:58:33,300
it turns out and

1499
00:58:37,789 --> 00:58:35,460
this civilization speed helium

1500
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:37,799
civilization called the Tris alarms it

1501
00:58:42,349 --> 00:58:40,260
turns out that the Earth

1502
00:58:44,510 --> 00:58:42,359
that the universe is an extremely

1503
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:44,520
chaotic place it's called the three body

1504
00:58:49,010 --> 00:58:46,740
worded the book is the first time three

1505
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:49,020
body problem race because a three-body

1506
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:52,079
orbit is unstable Batman unlike a two

1507
00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:54,660
bodyboard in the Innocence so

1508
00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:56,460
into this

1509
00:59:01,250 --> 00:58:59,160
and we have a resource here on Earth and

1510
00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:01,260
that resource isn't isn't grass it's not

1511
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:03,960
water it's stability it's the fact that

1512
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:06,960
we can even observe walks and make

1513
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:09,359
regularities

1514
00:59:13,069 --> 00:59:11,160
Wolfram to integrate some of the towels

1515
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:13,079
Wolfram many call this a pocket of

1516
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,760
reducibility we're in a pocket of

1517
00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:16,799
Buddhist spill I thought that's a

1518
00:59:20,750 --> 00:59:18,900
resource in and of itself and the other

1519
00:59:23,089 --> 00:59:20,760
places they don't have this one of the

1520
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,099
reasons why we see it well there's very

1521
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:24,960
any Symmetry and then we don't have the

1522
00:59:28,490 --> 00:59:26,700
Hubble tension and so on we think these

1523
00:59:30,049 --> 00:59:28,500
are problems with our laws but it's the

1524
00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:30,059
problem with conceptualize the walls in

1525
00:59:33,230 --> 00:59:31,619
the first place we're not taking into a

1526
00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:33,240
capital but Universe could be chaot and

1527
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:34,440
constable

1528
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,200
we think a universal here no

1529
00:59:42,170 --> 00:59:39,599
so then the tricer is like oh my gosh

1530
00:59:43,849 --> 00:59:42,180
there's a place where we can go we're

1531
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,859
about to die we're just by the way a

1532
00:59:47,930 --> 00:59:45,599
couple many decades or a few hundred

1533
00:59:49,390 --> 00:59:47,940
years were civilized of the civilizer

1534
00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:49,400
more technologically advanced than the

1535
00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:52,260
humanities with us let's go there right

1536
00:59:58,609 --> 00:59:55,799
then so then they start heading to Earth

1537
01:00:01,549 --> 01:00:00,470
somehow they're communicating with the

1538
01:00:03,530 --> 01:00:01,559
Earthlings

1539
01:00:05,930 --> 01:00:03,540
and just like now and hear the same

1540
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,940
rhetoric half of the earth and I'm again

1541
01:00:09,770 --> 01:00:07,680
generalized half of the earth excuse me

1542
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,780
missing they're the seniors they're the

1543
01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:11,760
Gods coming to save us but other half

1544
01:00:16,370 --> 01:00:14,520
says no no no d f and careful then like

1545
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,380
there is something demonic about this or

1546
01:00:20,510 --> 01:00:18,720
at least that this is not in our best

1547
01:00:23,329 --> 01:00:20,520
interest then there's fighting there's

1548
01:00:25,789 --> 01:00:23,339
Wars Earth's subtly not some Earth over

1549
01:00:28,210 --> 01:00:25,799
the course of decades comes together and

1550
01:00:31,069 --> 01:00:28,220
says okay we need to mount to defense

1551
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,079
the most amount energy resources and

1552
01:00:34,609 --> 01:00:33,119
time go into mounting the defense

1553
01:00:36,650 --> 01:00:34,619
against this because they're considering

1554
01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:36,660
both of the worst case scenario

1555
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:39,180
and they make these cleats and

1556
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:40,980
they make these fleets so that they can

1557
01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:42,720
protect themselves and they're observing

1558
01:00:46,609 --> 01:00:44,700
the solar system saying like Okay this

1559
01:00:48,170 --> 01:00:46,619
now hundreds of years later they're

1560
01:00:50,510 --> 01:00:48,180
coming they're coming in decades or

1561
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:50,520
maybe even in 10 years let's

1562
01:00:57,170 --> 01:00:55,910
be careful about the dreading and what

1563
01:00:58,670 --> 01:00:57,180
we think of is all the effort that went

1564
01:01:00,170 --> 01:00:58,680
into the nuclear evolve and into the

1565
01:01:02,450 --> 01:01:00,180
pyramids and so on this like that turns

1566
01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:02,460
a thousand all of Earth is on this and

1567
01:01:06,109 --> 01:01:03,480
then

1568
01:01:07,849 --> 01:01:06,119
there they observe that hey that okay

1569
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:07,859
we're looking for it irregularities

1570
01:01:13,390 --> 01:01:08,880
we're looking for something out of place

1571
01:01:18,770 --> 01:01:15,589
so they're like let's see what that is

1572
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:18,780
they go to grab it and like Magneto from

1573
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,700
X-Men I don't know if you saw first

1574
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,319
episode word

1575
01:01:26,750 --> 01:01:24,000
there's one speaker that quickly

1576
01:01:30,109 --> 01:01:26,760
destroys everything and then this one

1577
01:01:31,789 --> 01:01:30,119
droplet quickly destroys Earth's entire

1578
01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:31,799
fleet

1579
01:01:35,809 --> 01:01:33,540
over the course of just seconds and

1580
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,819
they're different first second third the

1581
01:01:39,289 --> 01:01:37,440
first three is destroyed like that and

1582
01:01:41,150 --> 01:01:39,299
the second one barely Copperhead it's

1583
01:01:42,530 --> 01:01:41,160
like they have the eye of Sci and even

1584
01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:42,540
the AI catch you know like what the heck

1585
01:01:45,710 --> 01:01:44,040
just happened and then they get

1586
01:01:48,170 --> 01:01:45,720
distorted then the third gets destroyed

1587
01:01:50,510 --> 01:01:48,180
and now Earth is in this dark cage under

1588
01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:50,520
how lies it would be to use artificial

1589
01:01:54,829 --> 01:01:52,980
intelligence to create military strategy

1590
01:01:57,710 --> 01:01:54,839
it's something that you have zero status

1591
01:02:02,809 --> 01:01:59,870
yeah the way that AI was occurred in as

1592
01:02:04,430 --> 01:02:02,819
a bee inside plenty plenty of data but I

1593
01:02:08,030 --> 01:02:04,440
can't even just give the IPI which

1594
01:02:10,730 --> 01:02:08,040
England I get one later yeah but so so

1595
01:02:12,770 --> 01:02:10,740
you know the Dark Forest you know at

1596
01:02:15,890 --> 01:02:12,780
least philosophy according to

1597
01:02:18,589 --> 01:02:15,900
um that book series is that uh the Furby

1598
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:18,599
Paradox is uh

1599
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:20,760
is resolved by the fact that there are

1600
01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:22,319
things out there we just can't see them

1601
01:02:25,970 --> 01:02:23,880
because they're specifically hiding due

1602
01:02:28,609 --> 01:02:25,980
to the political and War and nature of

1603
01:02:31,390 --> 01:02:28,619
uh the large universe and that's based

1604
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:31,400
on the Assumption of limited resources

1605
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:34,559
uh as well as uh the fact that

1606
01:02:38,270 --> 01:02:36,240
technological progression happens over

1607
01:02:39,410 --> 01:02:38,280
such short periods of time which are all

1608
01:02:41,390 --> 01:02:39,420
things that we observe with our own

1609
01:02:44,089 --> 01:02:41,400
civilization of course we don't have the

1610
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:44,099
data sets uh from elsewhere as well as

1611
01:02:48,410 --> 01:02:45,839
self-interest we are self-interest in

1612
01:02:50,569 --> 01:02:48,420
every other species we know is willing

1613
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:50,579
to kill another species to say they're

1614
01:02:58,609 --> 01:02:56,210
why wouldn't we think that

1615
01:02:59,630 --> 01:02:58,619
that Universal Property would it be

1616
01:03:02,030 --> 01:02:59,640
Universal

1617
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:02,040
or at least extremely likely

1618
01:03:06,410 --> 01:03:04,319
one thing I I like to think about in

1619
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:06,420
that book series as well is you know

1620
01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:10,079
maybe we're the trials right maybe maybe

1621
01:03:14,930 --> 01:03:12,299
you know did every child solar know that

1622
01:03:18,049 --> 01:03:14,940
they went in and in between areas of

1623
01:03:19,490 --> 01:03:18,059
upheaval innocent right so I've always

1624
01:03:21,170 --> 01:03:19,500
kind of thought of it you know I've

1625
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:21,180
placed myself in that their shoes and

1626
01:03:25,010 --> 01:03:22,559
said you know prep we're just in the

1627
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,020
midst of a pecan period in a sense

1628
01:03:29,150 --> 01:03:27,359
symptoms of fuels elsewhere uh we don't

1629
01:03:31,069 --> 01:03:29,160
know what what stability is and what the

1630
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:31,079
time frames are for

1631
01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:33,119
um certain biological process that

1632
01:03:38,450 --> 01:03:35,460
evolutionary time period to get from you

1633
01:03:41,150 --> 01:03:38,460
know a to G might be a certain time

1634
01:03:44,089 --> 01:03:41,160
period but for uh different different

1635
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,099
points in that evolutionary process uh

1636
01:03:48,349 --> 01:03:46,799
there might be well it goes It goes into

1637
01:03:50,450 --> 01:03:48,359
what you're saying about wisdom versus

1638
01:03:54,349 --> 01:03:50,460
technology

1639
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:54,359
we are so unwise that we don't even like

1640
01:03:57,650 --> 01:03:56,400
the concept of wisdom or objective

1641
01:04:01,990 --> 01:03:57,660
morality if we're going to study it it's

1642
01:04:05,450 --> 01:04:04,130
if they're going to make a comment at

1643
01:04:07,069 --> 01:04:05,460
all about it

1644
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:07,079
they move in the world with it defined

1645
01:04:10,190 --> 01:04:08,579
they're going to make a big give a

1646
01:04:12,349 --> 01:04:10,200
sentence say the madness is just like

1647
01:04:14,030 --> 01:04:12,359
the opposite of a politician could be a

1648
01:04:15,170 --> 01:04:14,040
bad sense that politician wants to read

1649
01:04:16,849 --> 01:04:15,180
anything into the state that Saturday

1650
01:04:18,530 --> 01:04:16,859
that are made messages saying okay

1651
01:04:19,849 --> 01:04:18,540
here's exactly what I need so they don't

1652
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:19,859
like where Ali

1653
01:04:24,650 --> 01:04:21,839
a mate 12.

1654
01:04:29,329 --> 01:04:26,930
Carmen June by the way

1655
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,339
have a whole book on UFOs he was saying

1656
01:04:33,470 --> 01:04:31,680
that psychological projection of the

1657
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:33,480
collective unconscious

1658
01:04:41,329 --> 01:04:38,990
a representation of a man's search for

1659
01:04:43,250 --> 01:04:41,339
meaning and Transcendence

1660
01:04:45,230 --> 01:04:43,260
okay if that's the case so at least if

1661
01:04:47,390 --> 01:04:45,240
that's partially the case

1662
01:04:50,510 --> 01:04:47,400
then

1663
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:50,520
the reason for the increased anxieties

1664
01:05:03,410 --> 01:05:00,650
maybe because our culture

1665
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:03,420
is so lacking we're so you constantly

1666
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:04,319
hear this I'm not religious about

1667
01:05:08,750 --> 01:05:06,839
spiritual like capist longing for

1668
01:05:11,870 --> 01:05:08,760
spiritual growth and then there's this

1669
01:05:14,270 --> 01:05:11,880
loss of the church and so we've erected

1670
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:14,280
in place of the church technology we

1671
01:05:22,609 --> 01:05:20,930
maybe because well

1672
01:05:24,890 --> 01:05:22,619
Colleen was right about plenty because

1673
01:05:26,089 --> 01:05:24,900
the whole field of psychoanalysis is

1674
01:05:27,950 --> 01:05:26,099
based

1675
01:05:30,170 --> 01:05:27,960
like it's partially on Chrome legion's

1676
01:05:30,180 --> 01:05:36,170
maybe there's something to do with

1677
01:05:40,970 --> 01:05:38,510
with a longing

1678
01:05:43,010 --> 01:05:40,980
but then then it's like well

1679
01:05:45,049 --> 01:05:43,020
when people encounter it is because they

1680
01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:45,059
it's is it the more spiritually ended

1681
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,920
people the people who aren't longing are

1682
01:05:50,210 --> 01:05:48,720
people who are trying to grow I don't

1683
01:05:52,789 --> 01:05:50,220
think that's always the case so is it

1684
01:05:54,170 --> 01:05:52,799
the people who are lacking well is it

1685
01:05:55,549 --> 01:05:54,180
just both ends is it the people who are

1686
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:55,559
in the middle the ones that are like

1687
01:06:01,250 --> 01:05:56,880
yeah I'm actually fine

1688
01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:03,410
it would give him exclamation as to why

1689
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:05,400
the Skeptics and the Heart knows and the

1690
01:06:10,130 --> 01:06:08,400
somewhat proud Skeptics

1691
01:06:11,690 --> 01:06:10,140
don't see them much

1692
01:06:14,210 --> 01:06:11,700
they don't feel as if they lacking

1693
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:14,220
they're extremely organized look down

1694
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:21,109
so they don't search for it we don't

1695
01:06:24,109 --> 01:06:22,440
care about search I'll leave anything

1696
01:06:26,210 --> 01:06:24,119
the most dignity would be meditating

1697
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,220
anyways to look good

1698
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:28,079
look how rational I am

1699
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:31,440
just this uh this embroiled mind like

1700
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:33,119
meditation for my spirituality and my

1701
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,460
religious and so on

1702
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:37,680
his meditation of pure spiritual

1703
01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:41,520
practice I think I think it is you do

1704
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,460
yeah it wasn't yeah I think that

1705
01:06:48,289 --> 01:06:46,559
there's this

1706
01:06:50,089 --> 01:06:48,299
I've owned this the first deliberation

1707
01:06:52,010 --> 01:06:50,099
remember

1708
01:06:55,789 --> 01:06:52,020
there's actually metaphysical

1709
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,799
assumptions embedded into meditation so

1710
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:57,599
they'll say just observe your thoughts

1711
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:59,280
you are not your thoughts and so on and

1712
01:07:03,770 --> 01:07:00,480
so on

1713
01:07:05,650 --> 01:07:03,780
they're actually you're retold a certain

1714
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:05,660
framework that you are not your thoughts

1715
01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:08,880
observe these as the winds and the waves

1716
01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:11,160
and so on it's not simply do this

1717
01:07:14,569 --> 01:07:12,839
practice you can't just do this practice

1718
01:07:16,430 --> 01:07:14,579
you have to be told instructed on how to

1719
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:16,440
do it

1720
01:07:19,549 --> 01:07:18,240
we take those as instructions as

1721
01:07:21,230 --> 01:07:19,559
agnostic but I don't think they are

1722
01:07:23,569 --> 01:07:21,240
metaphysically

1723
01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:23,579
I uh disagree a little bit only because

1724
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:25,140
I think I learned

1725
01:07:29,450 --> 01:07:26,940
when I started meditating at the adult

1726
01:07:31,970 --> 01:07:29,460
that I used to do as a child I just did

1727
01:07:32,930 --> 01:07:31,980
it without knowing what I was doing I

1728
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:32,940
used to

1729
01:07:36,049 --> 01:07:35,220
but you know six seven years old I used

1730
01:07:38,089 --> 01:07:36,059
to

1731
01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:38,099
hold my breath in the pool

1732
01:07:42,289 --> 01:07:40,200
and slowly blow the air out and sink to

1733
01:07:44,809 --> 01:07:42,299
the bottom so it's weightless for as

1734
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:44,819
long as possible and pull that breath as

1735
01:07:50,450 --> 01:07:46,400
long as I could you know just

1736
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:50,460
concentrate my my focus on either the my

1737
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:51,599
heartbeat because I could feel it

1738
01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:54,000
through the water and just try to meet

1739
01:07:57,650 --> 01:07:55,920
in that state of mind as possible and I

1740
01:07:59,450 --> 01:07:57,660
would do that for and then while I ran

1741
01:08:01,250 --> 01:07:59,460
up breath I would come back up take a

1742
01:08:03,049 --> 01:08:01,260
single breath as much as I could and

1743
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,059
then flip back down do that same process

1744
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:05,280
I don't do that for like 45 minutes to

1745
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:07,920
an hour you know and I just thought it

1746
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:09,839
was a relaxing thing to do I didn't have

1747
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:11,760
a word for it and then later I realized

1748
01:08:16,249 --> 01:08:14,400
it was pretty much the same process you

1749
01:08:18,110 --> 01:08:16,259
know mentally as What Choosing to

1750
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:18,120
meditate and to control the focus and

1751
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:19,679
things of that nature which is again

1752
01:08:22,910 --> 01:08:21,120
very similar to

1753
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,920
really when you're kind of in the groove

1754
01:08:25,970 --> 01:08:24,480
run development with your flying a

1755
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,980
tactical aircraft

1756
01:08:29,570 --> 01:08:27,839
we call it the scan that we just think

1757
01:08:31,610 --> 01:08:29,580
of it as really moving our eye vowels

1758
01:08:34,249 --> 01:08:31,620
eyeballs around to see information but

1759
01:08:35,809 --> 01:08:34,259
really what we're doing is channeling

1760
01:08:38,090 --> 01:08:35,819
our Focus you know in one particular

1761
01:08:39,769 --> 01:08:38,100
number one particular data point one

1762
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,779
particular problem that we need to solve

1763
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:41,759
and we do that for a particular period

1764
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:43,679
of time let me move on to that piece of

1765
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:45,120
data the next piece of data would do

1766
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:46,799
that the repeating pattern all right

1767
01:08:50,930 --> 01:08:48,960
we're not multitasking necessarily but

1768
01:08:52,370 --> 01:08:50,940
we have that scan going on and that's

1769
01:08:54,050 --> 01:08:52,380
just control Focus across the

1770
01:08:56,329 --> 01:08:54,060
instruments you know or to keep

1771
01:08:58,610 --> 01:08:56,339
ourselves doing what we need to do

1772
01:09:00,349 --> 01:08:58,620
and so I feel like I kind of you know I

1773
01:09:01,550 --> 01:09:00,359
feel like that was the same process no

1774
01:09:03,229 --> 01:09:01,560
one taught me how to do at the very

1775
01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:03,239
beginning I didn't really know what it

1776
01:09:06,289 --> 01:09:04,859
was or haven't worked for until I you

1777
01:09:09,070 --> 01:09:06,299
know posed in my 30s essentially

1778
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:09,080
suppressed firstly you're an authors

1779
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:11,040
it's like I've heard them you're in good

1780
01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:13,279
company because Carl Hume also had some

1781
01:09:17,630 --> 01:09:15,960
experiences that

1782
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:17,640
you would think would only be cleaned if

1783
01:09:22,189 --> 01:09:19,440
you were to be taught mindfulness

1784
01:09:23,630 --> 01:09:22,199
meditation but as a yoke child and

1785
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:23,640
thirdly there are different kinds of

1786
01:09:26,450 --> 01:09:24,900
meditation so what you're referencing

1787
01:09:31,870 --> 01:09:26,460
isn't

1788
01:09:35,329 --> 01:09:31,880
it's like say the government

1789
01:09:37,610 --> 01:09:35,339
meditation that's why it was

1790
01:09:39,470 --> 01:09:37,620
I don't know the niche the others

1791
01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:39,480
20 others

1792
01:09:42,289 --> 01:09:40,920
interesting

1793
01:09:43,849 --> 01:09:42,299
very good

1794
01:09:45,229 --> 01:09:43,859
so

1795
01:09:46,910 --> 01:09:45,239
they kind of want to come back to the

1796
01:09:48,349 --> 01:09:46,920
coolies that you may have with you if

1797
01:09:50,209 --> 01:09:48,359
you were you know one thing that you

1798
01:09:51,289 --> 01:09:50,219
mentioned and then we kind of fell off

1799
01:09:53,390 --> 01:09:51,299
the topic was

1800
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:53,400
what what about absence of data what

1801
01:09:57,410 --> 01:09:55,380
does that say to you on the uip topic

1802
01:10:00,169 --> 01:09:57,420
are there any examples there

1803
01:10:01,729 --> 01:10:00,179
such a quiet dog and there's there's the

1804
01:10:05,450 --> 01:10:01,739
Furby Paradox as well that's like an

1805
01:10:07,010 --> 01:10:05,460
absence what does that indicate

1806
01:10:08,450 --> 01:10:07,020
I don't know honestly you can think

1807
01:10:10,610 --> 01:10:08,460
about this for quite some time but you

1808
01:10:12,770 --> 01:10:10,620
can just

1809
01:10:14,090 --> 01:10:12,780
it's so it's extremely tricky because

1810
01:10:16,189 --> 01:10:14,100
you also don't want to pick up on

1811
01:10:18,650 --> 01:10:16,199
patterns everywhere that's the same as

1812
01:10:20,570 --> 01:10:18,660
paranoid and schizophrenia is an example

1813
01:10:23,090 --> 01:10:20,580
of too much meaning so you have to be

1814
01:10:25,850 --> 01:10:23,100
extremely careful of seeing meaning in

1815
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:25,860
every place or

1816
01:10:32,570 --> 01:10:27,840
Traditions as the word Alice is yeah

1817
01:10:39,770 --> 01:10:34,610
my mind works

1818
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:42,950
and So my answer is I don't know

1819
01:10:48,970 --> 01:10:45,360
however am I using the fact that there's

1820
01:10:51,649 --> 01:10:48,980
a lack of data and some other

1821
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:51,659
stuck in some other decision tree I

1822
01:10:59,870 --> 01:10:56,990
I was walking though

1823
01:11:01,130 --> 01:10:59,880
and trough and by

1824
01:11:03,050 --> 01:11:01,140
and then I said to my wife you know

1825
01:11:05,630 --> 01:11:03,060
Alfred Hitchcock she's like yeah and

1826
01:11:07,070 --> 01:11:05,640
then so he said here's what suspense is

1827
01:11:09,290 --> 01:11:07,080
and this is the difference between shock

1828
01:11:10,910 --> 01:11:09,300
and say okay it's two people having

1829
01:11:12,169 --> 01:11:10,920
conversation behind this later if

1830
01:11:14,209 --> 01:11:12,179
there's a ball or the table that pulls

1831
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:14,219
out that's shock and Alfred Hitchcock

1832
01:11:16,970 --> 01:11:15,600
was he inventor of the sentence that

1833
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:16,980
fill and it's like here's I'm being that

1834
01:11:21,410 --> 01:11:19,199
suspenseful stay in the situation just

1835
01:11:22,729 --> 01:11:21,420
in the beginning you show the bomb and

1836
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:22,739
then you show talking

1837
01:11:26,330 --> 01:11:25,260
save conversation and then you think he

1838
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:26,340
has an audience like oh my gosh that's

1839
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:27,900
gonna Vlog everything what are you doing

1840
01:11:31,130 --> 01:11:29,760
you don't know but that's there

1841
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:31,140
and it's just like why did you say that

1842
01:11:35,330 --> 01:11:32,640
right now then I'm like why did I say

1843
01:11:36,770 --> 01:11:35,340
that oh because like two seconds ago

1844
01:11:38,990 --> 01:11:36,780
there was this

1845
01:11:40,250 --> 01:11:39,000
a few moments ago there's this guy I

1846
01:11:41,330 --> 01:11:40,260
thought was he going to pick up like he

1847
01:11:42,830 --> 01:11:41,340
just had this spot like it's gonna pick

1848
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,840
out to be then I thought about this

1849
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,400
other movie called the tape where there

1850
01:11:48,110 --> 01:11:45,840
was a this pickpocket and then I thought

1851
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,120
yeah well Eric Idris elbus had this

1852
01:11:52,910 --> 01:11:50,400
Idris Elvis I don't know how to say that

1853
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:52,920
the the actor in his he was depressed by

1854
01:11:55,310 --> 01:11:54,000
the skin and I was thinking like you

1855
01:11:56,810 --> 01:11:55,320
could read all these emotions he's

1856
01:11:59,090 --> 01:11:56,820
impressed by him thinking what he's

1857
01:12:00,350 --> 01:11:59,100
telling truth what else can he do all

1858
01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:00,360
these emotions were going through Idris

1859
01:12:03,950 --> 01:12:02,159
head and did you see that in his eyes

1860
01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:03,960
then I was thinking if I was a direct

1861
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:05,340
that scene what would I say and I was

1862
01:12:08,270 --> 01:12:07,080
like okay as the Director no I wouldn't

1863
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:08,280
give him that much destruction all

1864
01:12:12,649 --> 01:12:09,840
there's actually plenty of a stretch I'm

1865
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,659
not sleeping cake about Alfred Hitchcock

1866
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:14,159
what would he say then I thought of that

1867
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:18,480
like babe how exhausting is it

1868
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:20,400
so what I'm saying is that you're asking

1869
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:21,360
me about

1870
01:12:26,030 --> 01:12:23,520
um like consciously using the fact that

1871
01:12:27,229 --> 01:12:26,040
there's a lack of data no but I don't

1872
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:27,239
know if it's one of those steps much

1873
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:29,040
like it took me quite some time to be

1874
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:30,480
like why did I think of Alfred each

1875
01:12:34,490 --> 01:12:31,920
other you know because this this is

1876
01:12:35,330 --> 01:12:34,500
doses but you could adopter apps said

1877
01:12:37,490 --> 01:12:35,340
you had mentioned that you had

1878
01:12:39,770 --> 01:12:37,500
highlighted something already

1879
01:12:41,450 --> 01:12:39,780
what do you see you know other than just

1880
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:41,460
talking about it like you know I'm

1881
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:43,679
attempting to do with this podcast uh

1882
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:44,880
what else do you think needs to be done

1883
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:47,520
move this conversation forward uh we've

1884
01:12:50,510 --> 01:12:48,960
talked a little bit about you know

1885
01:12:53,209 --> 01:12:50,520
introducing the wider industry and

1886
01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:53,219
Academia to this topic obviously you

1887
01:12:56,689 --> 01:12:55,080
know I'm gonna take it from you now so

1888
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,699
you don't use this but obviously more

1889
01:13:01,850 --> 01:12:58,320
data and being able to distribute that

1890
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:01,860
data to a wider uh cohort for analysis

1891
01:13:05,689 --> 01:13:04,080
things of that nature would be a wish

1892
01:13:07,850 --> 01:13:05,699
list but what do you think are pragmatic

1893
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:07,860
steps perhaps to continue this movie

1894
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:10,320
this conversation for

1895
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:12,960
like I mentioned the government I don't

1896
01:13:16,850 --> 01:13:14,880
know if whatever the government says

1897
01:13:18,169 --> 01:13:16,860
whether they have something or not what

1898
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,179
is this something I don't know if that's

1899
01:13:23,570 --> 01:13:19,920
enough I don't think that would satisfy

1900
01:13:25,490 --> 01:13:23,580
you nor me nor big West

1901
01:13:27,649 --> 01:13:25,500
it would be okay well what do you mean

1902
01:13:30,530 --> 01:13:27,659
can see it so at some point you would

1903
01:13:32,990 --> 01:13:30,540
have to get to the psychists

1904
01:13:34,669 --> 01:13:33,000
and then here's something I wonder does

1905
01:13:37,250 --> 01:13:34,679
Private Enterprise have more information

1906
01:13:39,229 --> 01:13:37,260
on the phenomenon

1907
01:13:42,290 --> 01:13:39,239
let me ask you that mental and splash

1908
01:13:44,570 --> 01:13:42,300
it's here what that's that okay so what

1909
01:13:47,090 --> 01:13:44,580
do you think that certain private

1910
01:13:49,010 --> 01:13:47,100
Enterprises have more access or more

1911
01:13:50,209 --> 01:13:49,020
knowledge about what's going on what the

1912
01:13:53,090 --> 01:13:50,219
heck has happened

1913
01:13:54,830 --> 01:13:53,100
then pick up I don't have enough

1914
01:13:57,169 --> 01:13:54,840
information to say you know why

1915
01:13:59,209 --> 01:13:57,179
fortunately right so you know we hear a

1916
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,219
lot about how you know potentially the

1917
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:01,679
moving materials or technology to the

1918
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:05,280
Private Industry such that it's not you

1919
01:14:11,630 --> 01:14:06,480
know

1920
01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:11,640
elected official or a foia request or

1921
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,260
something of that nature but I have no

1922
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,600
direct knowledge about being a strategy

1923
01:14:19,130 --> 01:14:17,520
that was independent do you have any

1924
01:14:21,709 --> 01:14:19,140
children

1925
01:14:23,209 --> 01:14:21,719
if you did would you would you talk to

1926
01:14:26,030 --> 01:14:23,219
them about uip

1927
01:14:29,209 --> 01:14:26,040
course

1928
01:14:33,229 --> 01:14:29,219
I think that's a deepest question

1929
01:14:36,110 --> 01:14:33,239
now what point at some point yes

1930
01:14:38,270 --> 01:14:36,120
I would imagine like I would but I can't

1931
01:14:40,370 --> 01:14:38,280
know until in that situation of far from

1932
01:14:42,649 --> 01:14:40,380
such a situation review

1933
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:42,659
how about yourself do you have kids I do

1934
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:46,800
I have a daughter and spies I hurt uh

1935
01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:48,360
let's talk about a little bit I mean

1936
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:50,280
there's only so much we can talk to at a

1937
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:54,000
500 but uh I don't

1938
01:14:57,890 --> 01:14:56,880
I introduce her to the concept of there

1939
01:15:00,410 --> 01:14:57,900
being

1940
01:15:01,850 --> 01:15:00,420
other consciousness

1941
01:15:05,630 --> 01:15:01,860
else pick

1942
01:15:08,689 --> 01:15:05,640
uh in the universe a Galaxy and

1943
01:15:11,450 --> 01:15:08,699
also plants and like things that are

1944
01:15:13,850 --> 01:15:11,460
potentially not conscious I draw a

1945
01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:13,860
distinction there uh maybe not

1946
01:15:18,649 --> 01:15:15,060
philosophically but at least in this

1947
01:15:21,290 --> 01:15:18,659
conversation uh and so yeah I want her

1948
01:15:23,570 --> 01:15:21,300
to understand that you know what we have

1949
01:15:25,010 --> 01:15:23,580
going on this little blue dot here isn't

1950
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:25,020
necessarily the center of the YouTubers

1951
01:15:29,689 --> 01:15:27,360
I think that is an extremely important

1952
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:29,699
perspective for her to grow up happening

1953
01:15:35,870 --> 01:15:32,640
because I think it'll just increase her

1954
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:35,880
optionality and Imagination and you know

1955
01:15:39,890 --> 01:15:37,679
everything we have in the world

1956
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:39,900
that we've created has started in our

1957
01:15:44,990 --> 01:15:42,780
head as an idea so you know as a general

1958
01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:45,000
philosophy I try to encourage her

1959
01:15:50,930 --> 01:15:46,920
thinking that expands you know her

1960
01:15:52,970 --> 01:15:50,940
mindset her osher uh and you know her

1961
01:15:55,610 --> 01:15:52,980
ability to try new things

1962
01:15:57,950 --> 01:15:55,620
at all and I think without being inside

1963
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:57,960
our universe is you know the first step

1964
01:16:02,570 --> 01:15:59,760
of that sense

1965
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,580
okay I think about is that we

1966
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:04,560
think of the primary assets of this

1967
01:16:07,310 --> 01:16:06,000
world is either Consciousness or

1968
01:16:08,689 --> 01:16:07,320
material

1969
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:08,699
and perhaps to duel to one another

1970
01:16:13,790 --> 01:16:11,280
breast once derived from one another

1971
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:13,800
I often wonder well what about a third

1972
01:16:17,870 --> 01:16:15,600
element what about a triality what about

1973
01:16:21,950 --> 01:16:17,880
a quadrality or a 12 validity something

1974
01:16:23,570 --> 01:16:21,960
in like the club 157. what about a 157

1975
01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:23,580
LED

1976
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:25,260
and what if these questions that we

1977
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:27,840
think are so

1978
01:16:32,570 --> 01:16:30,719
ineffable in these State bus like

1979
01:16:34,370 --> 01:16:32,580
why are we here what is consciousness

1980
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:34,380
how am I alive but so on what is our

1981
01:16:40,430 --> 01:16:37,679
place what if they're those questions

1982
01:16:42,530 --> 01:16:40,440
there's so we can't access from our from

1983
01:16:43,790 --> 01:16:42,540
within a certain circle So within the

1984
01:16:45,950 --> 01:16:43,800
Consciousness Circle

1985
01:16:47,930 --> 01:16:45,960
we just kept much like girls like

1986
01:16:49,370 --> 01:16:47,940
between us there with this so girdles to

1987
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:49,380
complete theorem says there's certain

1988
01:16:52,850 --> 01:16:51,120
medical students so she cannot be true

1989
01:16:55,370 --> 01:16:52,860
or sorry and you can't prove water

1990
01:16:56,930 --> 01:16:55,380
within the system was within but there's

1991
01:16:59,689 --> 01:16:56,940
a place

1992
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:59,699
I'll believe that since if they're doing

1993
01:17:02,930 --> 01:17:01,440
that right

1994
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:02,940
and what if

1995
01:17:09,229 --> 01:17:07,199
much like a child may ask well how does

1996
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:09,239
it how does a baby form and where do I

1997
01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:11,040
get my pants from and what is money and

1998
01:17:15,050 --> 01:17:13,500
you're just like just relaxed like there

1999
01:17:16,669 --> 01:17:15,060
aren't these answers are first thing

2000
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,679
fairly trivial

2001
01:17:19,790 --> 01:17:18,480
there's an explanation at 30 that's not

2002
01:17:22,370 --> 01:17:19,800
even the most important question right

2003
01:17:24,050 --> 01:17:22,380
now just just relax yourself I wonder if

2004
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:24,060
like these existential questions that

2005
01:17:30,169 --> 01:17:26,400
plague us that the religious stories are

2006
01:17:32,090 --> 01:17:30,179
corrected met just trust just relax just

2007
01:17:34,370 --> 01:17:32,100
go along Trust

2008
01:17:36,649 --> 01:17:34,380
you can't make sense of it you're not

2009
01:17:39,410 --> 01:17:36,659
meant to make sense of it it also not

2010
01:17:42,770 --> 01:17:39,420
that it doesn't matter Lin it may be

2011
01:17:44,090 --> 01:17:42,780
few Thailand and counterproducted in

2012
01:17:46,610 --> 01:17:44,100
many ways to capture productive because

2013
01:17:48,110 --> 01:17:46,620
you can just try too bad there you can

2014
01:17:50,450 --> 01:17:48,120
get mad

2015
01:17:52,970 --> 01:17:50,460
down against this

2016
01:17:55,850 --> 01:17:52,980
much in the same way you study a tiger

2017
01:17:57,410 --> 01:17:55,860
leaping across the Sahara uh to an

2018
01:18:00,890 --> 01:17:57,420
infinite degree but you truly don't

2019
01:18:02,990 --> 01:18:00,900
understand uh the mechanics of of hydro

2020
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:03,000
seeing the lion or the photons coming at

2021
01:18:07,490 --> 01:18:05,040
and not really observe reality beyond

2022
01:18:08,810 --> 01:18:07,500
that yeah even if is that even the

2023
01:18:10,850 --> 01:18:08,820
reality so let's hear something else

2024
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,860
it's like we're so ingrained and

2025
01:18:15,890 --> 01:18:13,199
scientifically to think that the science

2026
01:18:18,290 --> 01:18:15,900
is primary and then our perceptions are

2027
01:18:21,530 --> 01:18:18,300
secondary and something I like about

2028
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:21,540
Bernardo Castro I like uh I just like

2029
01:18:25,010 --> 01:18:23,520
ideas that make me think he's saying new

2030
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:25,020
level you start with your perception and

2031
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:26,640
then you derive the side Circle the

2032
01:18:31,310 --> 01:18:29,040
other way around and so it can feel the

2033
01:18:32,810 --> 01:18:31,320
solidity of an object you know then go

2034
01:18:34,370 --> 01:18:32,820
scientifically and say well the spaces

2035
01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:34,380
between the atoms and the orbitals it's

2036
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:37,860
on so large that this the the grip that

2037
01:18:42,050 --> 01:18:39,840
you have is an illusion no the grip is

2038
01:18:45,470 --> 01:18:42,060
real somehow your phenomenal reality is

2039
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:45,480
real it takes pregnancy and there's a

2040
01:18:49,490 --> 01:18:47,040
whole field called phenomenology it's

2041
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:49,500
like phenomenologist philosophy that

2042
01:18:54,890 --> 01:18:52,320
says that your phenomenon is real you

2043
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,900
take that as your being is real

2044
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:56,400
you don't then go to something else to

2045
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:57,840
disprove that you start from bad and

2046
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:00,239
drive upward it's either derivation is

2047
01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:02,880
the proper way of going about it

2048
01:19:07,810 --> 01:19:05,820
presume something like reductionism

2049
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:07,820
and it's difficult for me to not think

2050
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:10,320
reductionistically like what it's even

2051
01:19:15,229 --> 01:19:13,679
in sometimes to you and myself and

2052
01:19:17,090 --> 01:19:15,239
people asking what explains

2053
01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:17,100
Consciousness explains that what counts

2054
01:19:21,649 --> 01:19:19,260
as an explanation like something is more

2055
01:19:23,209 --> 01:19:21,659
it's more real and then that gives rise

2056
01:19:25,310 --> 01:19:23,219
what does it mean to give rise it

2057
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:25,320
doesn't presume reductions what else

2058
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:26,880
what are the Alternatives I think you

2059
01:19:30,910 --> 01:19:28,800
would think not a reductionist holism

2060
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:30,920
sure

2061
01:19:34,850 --> 01:19:33,360
make my mind think well you know to say

2062
01:19:36,590 --> 01:19:34,860
the experience of Consciousness isn't

2063
01:19:38,930 --> 01:19:36,600
the ultimate understanding

2064
01:19:41,090 --> 01:19:38,940
versus all a mathematical equation that

2065
01:19:42,890 --> 01:19:41,100
would describe consciousness is that

2066
01:19:45,950 --> 01:19:42,900
what you're getting at knowing really

2067
01:19:47,930 --> 01:19:45,960
how to find or believe to understand

2068
01:19:50,090 --> 01:19:47,940
um also I apologize if earlier I did the

2069
01:19:51,649 --> 01:19:50,100
indication that I see some lack of

2070
01:19:53,630 --> 01:19:51,659
evidence and some evidence like Sherlock

2071
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:53,640
holmstead I'm saying that I don't

2072
01:19:58,370 --> 01:19:56,400
discount and so if I see that there's a

2073
01:20:01,689 --> 01:19:58,380
lack or something it may be indicative

2074
01:20:04,490 --> 01:20:01,699
of something very good and

2075
01:20:06,830 --> 01:20:04,500
very good so I think you might have had

2076
01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:06,840
some questions for me

2077
01:20:12,530 --> 01:20:08,940
do commercial airlaters sorry commercial

2078
01:20:14,510 --> 01:20:12,540
commercial pilots encounter these yes

2079
01:20:16,430 --> 01:20:14,520
and are they I would imagine that they'd

2080
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:16,440
be more forthcoming to sleep well let's

2081
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:19,199
let's define it first what what are the

2082
01:20:22,910 --> 01:20:20,880
what is the thing that you're asking me

2083
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,920
about

2084
01:20:25,970 --> 01:20:24,480
that they see

2085
01:20:29,209 --> 01:20:25,980
it's hard for me to describe without

2086
01:20:32,570 --> 01:20:29,219
then did some version of it but say the

2087
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:32,580
Tic Tacs the Spears with cutes in them

2088
01:20:36,169 --> 01:20:34,560
these objects that hurt planes I've

2089
01:20:38,630 --> 01:20:36,179
heard from our military as far as we

2090
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:38,640
know that operate

2091
01:20:43,250 --> 01:20:41,040
in such a way that we have no clue that

2092
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:43,260
and seems like it's some projection

2093
01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:46,320
because it breaks conservation of

2094
01:20:49,790 --> 01:20:48,239
momentum stay still

2095
01:20:52,010 --> 01:20:49,800
disappears

2096
01:20:53,689 --> 01:20:52,020
so

2097
01:20:56,090 --> 01:20:53,699
you defined at the end there as

2098
01:20:59,149 --> 01:20:56,100
something that portrays exceptional or

2099
01:21:00,830 --> 01:20:59,159
unexplainable flight characteristics

2100
01:21:04,130 --> 01:21:00,840
that is observed but that's not

2101
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:04,140
necessarily the average observation

2102
01:21:06,649 --> 01:21:05,520
right you know look out see and that

2103
01:21:08,450 --> 01:21:06,659
Darts Away

2104
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:08,460
a lot of times what people are seeing

2105
01:21:12,490 --> 01:21:11,280
Pilots are seeing right now are objects

2106
01:21:15,530 --> 01:21:12,500
that are

2107
01:21:17,149 --> 01:21:15,540
flying in non-symmetrical patterns right

2108
01:21:20,209 --> 01:21:17,159
so not just flying in a straight line

2109
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:20,219
but forming turned books or seemingly

2110
01:21:24,530 --> 01:21:22,080
descending from one out to two to

2111
01:21:27,010 --> 01:21:24,540
another to perform some type of patter

2112
01:21:30,050 --> 01:21:27,020
whether it's holding a knot

2113
01:21:32,630 --> 01:21:30,060
and these are aircraft that are located

2114
01:21:34,729 --> 01:21:32,640
at uh basically the top of commercial

2115
01:21:37,729 --> 01:21:34,739
air traffic altitudes and they're seeing

2116
01:21:40,430 --> 01:21:37,739
these objects 10 and 15 000 feet you're

2117
01:21:42,169 --> 01:21:40,440
just estimating above them so we don't

2118
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:42,179
know if they're Tic Tacs or warped or

2119
01:21:45,950 --> 01:21:43,920
this that the other thing but the what

2120
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:45,960
has been seen at least on a regular

2121
01:21:49,970 --> 01:21:47,760
basis happening right now are

2122
01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:49,980
essentially lights that are up these

2123
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:53,460
aircraft and whole executing I'm gonna

2124
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:54,960
just call it a holding pattern but you

2125
01:22:01,330 --> 01:21:57,840
know circular patterns or uh are flying

2126
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:01,340
in kind of J books or or

2127
01:22:06,169 --> 01:22:04,320
non-symmetrical patterns at altitudes

2128
01:22:09,169 --> 01:22:06,179
that wouldn't expect aircraft to be at

2129
01:22:11,330 --> 01:22:09,179
it uh we would also expect aircraft to

2130
01:22:14,330 --> 01:22:11,340
not perform that well so to have like

2131
01:22:16,189 --> 01:22:14,340
tight turns and call it 70 000 feet air

2132
01:22:18,350 --> 01:22:16,199
is very thin there so you know you take

2133
01:22:20,689 --> 01:22:18,360
a even if a fighter jet is up at those

2134
01:22:22,729 --> 01:22:20,699
altitudes it's it's gonna be taking very

2135
01:22:24,350 --> 01:22:22,739
you know long terms things of that big

2136
01:22:25,790 --> 01:22:24,360
gender uh those are flight

2137
01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:25,800
characteristics that form really just

2138
01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:27,780
not sure what they are but the pilots

2139
01:22:32,510 --> 01:22:30,540
don't know either uh a lot you know

2140
01:22:34,490 --> 01:22:32,520
they're reaching out to me and I'll be

2141
01:22:35,689 --> 01:22:34,500
airing more on this podcast all right

2142
01:22:37,130 --> 01:22:35,699
that's up we interview

2143
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:37,140
there's no shortage of them because

2144
01:22:39,770 --> 01:22:38,159
they're all seeing stuff up there

2145
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:39,780
rushing down this is you know at least

2146
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:41,520
this has been communicated to me there

2147
01:22:46,490 --> 01:22:44,159
you go there's a lot of talk and the

2148
01:22:47,870 --> 01:22:46,500
cockpits across the country on this on

2149
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:47,880
this area that a lot of them see it

2150
01:22:52,490 --> 01:22:49,440
sending pictures and things of that

2151
01:22:54,590 --> 01:22:52,500
nature of course uh you know lights

2152
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:54,600
against the black drop only tell you so

2153
01:22:57,770 --> 01:22:55,920
much but

2154
01:23:00,890 --> 01:22:57,780
um it's very clear from the videos that

2155
01:23:02,750 --> 01:23:00,900
I am seeing that their crew you know are

2156
01:23:04,370 --> 01:23:02,760
confused of what they're seeing these

2157
01:23:07,130 --> 01:23:04,380
are you know professional aviators that

2158
01:23:08,750 --> 01:23:07,140
are flying around you know 737s your

2159
01:23:11,570 --> 01:23:08,760
other you know large aircraft commercial

2160
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:11,580
aircraft you can hear they're these

2161
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,440
things are you know sticking out to them

2162
01:23:17,570 --> 01:23:15,600
they they let's see satellites and

2163
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:17,580
shooting stars you know every time they

2164
01:23:21,890 --> 01:23:19,920
go to work essentially at night and so

2165
01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:21,900
they are seeing this thick chains and

2166
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:25,080
the behaviors they're seeing at uh this

2167
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:27,360
is this is why I've been speaking out

2168
01:23:31,550 --> 01:23:29,280
about our need to have better recording

2169
01:23:32,930 --> 01:23:31,560
in this area because these Pilots don't

2170
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:32,940
even still don't feel comfortable

2171
01:23:37,790 --> 01:23:35,520
talking about this and um

2172
01:23:40,850 --> 01:23:37,800
on this podcast we spoke with pilots who

2173
01:23:42,530 --> 01:23:40,860
have said how they uh specifically have

2174
01:23:44,270 --> 01:23:42,540
talked to pilots who have seen the same

2175
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:44,280
thing they have Airborne but those

2176
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:46,560
Pilots specifically did not reach out to

2177
01:23:50,330 --> 01:23:48,719
the fa controller over the radar to

2178
01:23:52,490 --> 01:23:50,340
confirm those sightings because they

2179
01:23:54,649 --> 01:23:52,500
didn't want that to be reported they

2180
01:23:56,689 --> 01:23:54,659
they were too fearful to have their call

2181
01:23:59,149 --> 01:23:56,699
sign and their voice on seeing something

2182
01:24:01,310 --> 01:23:59,159
like that uh so I'll push back on your

2183
01:24:02,930 --> 01:24:01,320
statement earlier where you know whether

2184
01:24:04,510 --> 01:24:02,940
you call a stigma or something else at

2185
01:24:07,550 --> 01:24:04,520
least something that are in particular

2186
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:07,560
professionals they they do experience a

2187
01:24:12,530 --> 01:24:10,320
stigma because there are there can be uh

2188
01:24:15,169 --> 01:24:12,540
professional repercussions uh for

2189
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:15,179
engaging on the topic

2190
01:24:18,290 --> 01:24:17,280
and so another thing too so you know I

2191
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:18,300
haven't been hearing at least what's

2192
01:24:22,010 --> 01:24:19,920
been happening right now descriptions of

2193
01:24:24,050 --> 01:24:22,020
tic tacs things of that nature get they

2194
01:24:26,689 --> 01:24:24,060
look like lights or or sources of Lights

2195
01:24:28,910 --> 01:24:26,699
uh without that much uh

2196
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:28,920
three-dimensionality to it at least at

2197
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:31,199
high altitudes uh

2198
01:24:34,729 --> 01:24:33,600
there have been other cases outside of

2199
01:24:36,050 --> 01:24:34,739
Pilots where people are doing

2200
01:24:38,689 --> 01:24:36,060
independent research where they're

2201
01:24:41,149 --> 01:24:38,699
seeing things at much lower altitudes uh

2202
01:24:43,610 --> 01:24:41,159
to various beans uh you know over the

2203
01:24:46,130 --> 01:24:43,620
market type uh detection capabilities

2204
01:24:47,689 --> 01:24:46,140
active Radars over the market or

2205
01:24:49,790 --> 01:24:47,699
over-the-counter type you know

2206
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:49,800
Technologies thought military grade but

2207
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:51,840
just like you know uh stuff that you

2208
01:24:55,850 --> 01:24:53,520
could buy and experiment with on your

2209
01:24:58,130 --> 01:24:55,860
own you know I had a few reports about

2210
01:24:59,570 --> 01:24:58,140
it being seen you know sub 2 000 feet

2211
01:25:02,090 --> 01:24:59,580
that do have a bit more

2212
01:25:04,490 --> 01:25:02,100
three-dimensionality to them uh we can

2213
01:25:06,649 --> 01:25:04,500
kind of make up warmer shape uh we'll be

2214
01:25:08,689 --> 01:25:06,659
recording on that out in wanting

2215
01:25:10,370 --> 01:25:08,699
disorder for it sure sure if they happen

2216
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:10,380
in conversation sure on this podcast

2217
01:25:13,490 --> 01:25:12,480
about some of those data sets as well in

2218
01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:13,500
the near future

2219
01:25:17,330 --> 01:25:15,420
uh and we're see we're hearing those

2220
01:25:19,310 --> 01:25:17,340
reports at least the High Altitude ones

2221
01:25:22,910 --> 01:25:19,320
from Pilots that work all across the

2222
01:25:25,010 --> 01:25:22,920
globe in the front Europe uh Eastern

2223
01:25:27,890 --> 01:25:25,020
Asia and of course the United States as

2224
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:27,900
well by east coast and Wells

2225
01:25:33,770 --> 01:25:30,239
is there a difference in the

2226
01:25:36,290 --> 01:25:33,780
between the commercial and the military

2227
01:25:37,850 --> 01:25:36,300
in terms of what they witness Pilots are

2228
01:25:39,649 --> 01:25:37,860
in terms of what they witnessed in terms

2229
01:25:42,169 --> 01:25:39,659
of their reporting procedure and in

2230
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:42,179
terms of their willingness to come

2231
01:25:46,370 --> 01:25:43,679
forward was there a difference between

2232
01:25:47,689 --> 01:25:46,380
those two yes uh I'll probably have you

2233
01:25:51,290 --> 01:25:47,699
take me through each one I'll just say

2234
01:25:54,350 --> 01:25:51,300
of the the reporting willingness uh I

2235
01:25:56,450 --> 01:25:54,360
think that now today there is a greater

2236
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:56,460
degree of reporting within certain

2237
01:26:01,729 --> 01:25:59,040
military service such as the Navy I

2238
01:26:03,770 --> 01:26:01,739
can't say whether the Air Force has uh

2239
01:26:06,169 --> 01:26:03,780
complied with the reporting to the same

2240
01:26:07,729 --> 01:26:06,179
degree that the baby has we just don't

2241
01:26:11,090 --> 01:26:07,739
have that at all in the commercial room

2242
01:26:13,970 --> 01:26:11,100
so within the regulations for commercial

2243
01:26:15,770 --> 01:26:13,980
Aviation there is a just a very small

2244
01:26:19,129 --> 01:26:15,780
couple sentences that essentially State

2245
01:26:21,290 --> 01:26:19,139
uh if you if you would like to report a

2246
01:26:22,729 --> 01:26:21,300
UFO you can report it to one of these

2247
01:26:27,050 --> 01:26:22,739
several

2248
01:26:28,610 --> 01:26:27,060
public Source kind of data sets so they

2249
01:26:30,830 --> 01:26:28,620
kind of scatter the data to multiple

2250
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:30,840
non-government agencies so really

2251
01:26:34,090 --> 01:26:32,880
there's no reforming or tracking that's

2252
01:26:36,169 --> 01:26:34,100
required

2253
01:26:38,689 --> 01:26:36,179
and we're seeing that now in the Navy

2254
01:26:42,050 --> 01:26:38,699
and the military but again zero in the

2255
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:42,060
car show world uh that's you know what

2256
01:26:48,530 --> 01:26:44,719
are the efforts that we have at the uh

2257
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:48,540
aidaa in order to uh specify different

2258
01:26:53,149 --> 01:26:50,639
reporting procedures recommend them to

2259
01:26:55,490 --> 01:26:53,159
the proper authorities of that Pilots do

2260
01:26:58,729 --> 01:26:55,500
have need to safely means to safely

2261
01:27:01,010 --> 01:26:58,739
record uh these incidents without fear

2262
01:27:03,530 --> 01:27:01,020
for repercussion or a problem with their

2263
01:27:05,149 --> 01:27:03,540
next yearly physical or anything of that

2264
01:27:07,790 --> 01:27:05,159
nature and their systems and plays to do

2265
01:27:09,229 --> 01:27:07,800
that that's just the NASA asrs and other

2266
01:27:10,970 --> 01:27:09,239
systems and pilots and Trust for

2267
01:27:12,350 --> 01:27:10,980
reporting safety issues we've already

2268
01:27:14,689 --> 01:27:12,360
learned that lesson then if you just

2269
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:14,699
ignore issues with analyze pilot for

2270
01:27:18,050 --> 01:27:16,080
talking about something well that's what

2271
01:27:20,629 --> 01:27:18,060
happens all right and I'll talk about it

2272
01:27:21,890 --> 01:27:20,639
and anytime it's a safety related issue

2273
01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:21,900
you have to talk about it get that

2274
01:27:25,850 --> 01:27:23,400
information out there to ensure if it's

2275
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:25,860
not in this hole did anything happen to

2276
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:28,800
you after you King forward on Rogan and

2277
01:27:33,229 --> 01:27:30,000
Lex

2278
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:33,239
we need where you talk to say hey please

2279
01:27:39,410 --> 01:27:36,000
stop talking about this or avoid to

2280
01:27:41,330 --> 01:27:39,420
reprimand you in some way nope no I

2281
01:27:43,310 --> 01:27:41,340
don't know who would do that

2282
01:27:44,330 --> 01:27:43,320
you know but there's no shadowy group

2283
01:27:47,209 --> 01:27:44,340
that

2284
01:27:50,030 --> 01:27:47,219
have Warren be or otherwise influences

2285
01:27:52,010 --> 01:27:50,040
like communication anymore

2286
01:27:54,110 --> 01:27:52,020
when there was the sphere and then the

2287
01:28:00,890 --> 01:27:54,120
cube inside the sphere

2288
01:28:06,290 --> 01:28:01,970
did

2289
01:28:08,030 --> 01:28:06,300
you see it with your eyes or your

2290
01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:08,040
teammates in the squad I don't know what

2291
01:28:12,649 --> 01:28:09,440
it's called Squad

2292
01:28:16,129 --> 01:28:12,659
SWAT Squadron right yep SWAT drop

2293
01:28:19,490 --> 01:28:16,139
Squadron yes Squadron yeah okay

2294
01:28:21,169 --> 01:28:19,500
listen they're not called SWAT no

2295
01:28:23,090 --> 01:28:21,179
but while they're been calling it a

2296
01:28:27,250 --> 01:28:23,100
spawn ever since I joined the David all

2297
01:28:32,570 --> 01:28:29,930
all right great

2298
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:32,580
did they did you see it or did they see

2299
01:28:36,410 --> 01:28:34,320
it I with your eyes yeah I never

2300
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:36,420
physically saw it found an eyeballs uh

2301
01:28:41,330 --> 01:28:38,639
we would see it on our sensors uh we

2302
01:28:43,790 --> 01:28:41,340
would see it on uh the flear and I just

2303
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:43,800
interviewed another uh pilot from BFA 11

2304
01:28:47,209 --> 01:28:45,360
that was out there saying tile was me

2305
01:28:48,290 --> 01:28:47,219
and uh that'll probably air just before

2306
01:28:50,090 --> 01:28:48,300
this

2307
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:50,100
we had the same issue you know you would

2308
01:28:52,729 --> 01:28:51,360
see on the sensors and the Fleer but

2309
01:28:54,050 --> 01:28:52,739
couldn't see it with his eyeballs what

2310
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,060
do you make of it

2311
01:28:58,129 --> 01:28:56,400
uh you know

2312
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,139
I hear people say well it's cloaking

2313
01:29:04,610 --> 01:29:00,000
right you know I'm not willing to jump

2314
01:29:07,610 --> 01:29:06,110
there are reasons I have reasons to

2315
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:07,620
believe that there's still something

2316
01:29:11,330 --> 01:29:09,360
physical there whether to see it or not

2317
01:29:13,310 --> 01:29:11,340
based off the IR energy that would be

2318
01:29:15,470 --> 01:29:13,320
picked up at that very specific location

2319
01:29:17,209 --> 01:29:15,480
as well as the radar returns and after

2320
01:29:19,970 --> 01:29:17,219
we turn around you know we'll still be

2321
01:29:21,950 --> 01:29:19,980
there uh but I don't know what the make

2322
01:29:23,629 --> 01:29:21,960
of it necessarily for the fact that we

2323
01:29:25,310 --> 01:29:23,639
couldn't see it we would still have to

2324
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:25,320
respect them as physical objects having

2325
01:29:30,410 --> 01:29:28,800
them on the Fleer uh yeah that was a big

2326
01:29:32,810 --> 01:29:30,420
one a lot of people were like that they

2327
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:32,820
would you know when I asked her out have

2328
01:29:37,310 --> 01:29:35,040
you physically seen one most people were

2329
01:29:39,229 --> 01:29:37,320
like well no I kind of you know I'd see

2330
01:29:41,629 --> 01:29:39,239
it everywhere and come to the merge I

2331
01:29:43,129 --> 01:29:41,639
couldn't see it for the reason but some

2332
01:29:46,970 --> 01:29:43,139
people did

2333
01:29:51,290 --> 01:29:46,980
an indication as to the distance between

2334
01:29:56,330 --> 01:29:53,570
a pilot coming in and I was going out

2335
01:29:58,370 --> 01:29:56,340
and it appeared that they saw or these

2336
01:30:00,530 --> 01:29:58,380
one of them with their eyes what was the

2337
01:30:01,910 --> 01:30:00,540
distance between two ships yeah so the

2338
01:30:03,950 --> 01:30:01,920
two ships were actually going the same

2339
01:30:06,110 --> 01:30:03,960
direction uh they weren't going in and

2340
01:30:08,270 --> 01:30:06,120
out uh they were going their fault going

2341
01:30:10,010 --> 01:30:08,280
in at the in altitude for the air hits

2342
01:30:12,110 --> 01:30:10,020
and about thousand feet below that's

2343
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:12,120
kind of like exit altitude right so you

2344
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:14,159
hit that piece of the sky at a certain

2345
01:30:18,410 --> 01:30:16,080
altitude okay all right and that's

2346
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:18,420
entrance to the areas and the exits are

2347
01:30:21,290 --> 01:30:19,920
below right so they were both going in

2348
01:30:25,129 --> 01:30:21,300
at the entrance so they were about 100

2349
01:30:28,610 --> 01:30:25,139
feet apart or so uh at that point as

2350
01:30:30,770 --> 01:30:28,620
they enter up and the object

2351
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:30,780
I will was stationary I also get like

2352
01:30:33,470 --> 01:30:31,920
Zip between them I think it was

2353
01:30:35,629 --> 01:30:33,480
stationary at that point and they flew

2354
01:30:37,729 --> 01:30:35,639
in between and so the aircrafts were

2355
01:30:39,530 --> 01:30:37,739
moving and that that object was more or

2356
01:30:41,930 --> 01:30:39,540
less stationary at that point

2357
01:30:44,030 --> 01:30:41,940
uh the lead aircraft you know the lead

2358
01:30:45,530 --> 01:30:44,040
aircraft pilot who is really the only

2359
01:30:47,810 --> 01:30:45,540
one with any agency to like look around

2360
01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:47,820
because the the dash 2 the wingman's

2361
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:50,159
staring directly at uh the lead aircraft

2362
01:30:54,229 --> 01:30:52,560
the fly formation off of him uh so he

2363
01:30:56,570 --> 01:30:54,239
can't like look around he's focused and

2364
01:30:58,129 --> 01:30:56,580
super tight uh but the leader have with

2365
01:31:01,010 --> 01:30:58,139
the round the lead aircraft pilot saw

2366
01:31:04,490 --> 01:31:01,020
that opted go down his right wing line

2367
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:04,500
in between his wingmen and himself a bit

2368
01:31:08,810 --> 01:31:06,480
closer to him than his wing map Swig man

2369
01:31:11,450 --> 01:31:08,820
was on the right correct

2370
01:31:13,310 --> 01:31:11,460
oh it's not another 100 that he was on

2371
01:31:14,629 --> 01:31:13,320
the right but in this story wasn't right

2372
01:31:16,750 --> 01:31:14,639
it sure it doesn't really matter but

2373
01:31:19,729 --> 01:31:16,760
yeah I don't have that he's perfect

2374
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:19,739
so but anyways so in the story The

2375
01:31:24,110 --> 01:31:21,840
weakness on the right and when man we

2376
01:31:27,470 --> 01:31:24,120
and object goes between them slightly

2377
01:31:29,450 --> 01:31:27,480
closer to the lead than Dash two and

2378
01:31:32,689 --> 01:31:29,460
that's one of the rare times that

2379
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:32,699
there's like a reference to estimate a

2380
01:31:37,310 --> 01:31:35,760
size with object and so you know he

2381
01:31:40,250 --> 01:31:37,320
Loosely estimated to somewhere around

2382
01:31:42,169 --> 01:31:40,260
five to fifty feet diameter you booty

2383
01:31:44,270 --> 01:31:42,179
sorry that's he described it as the cube

2384
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:44,280
in the sound a fierce spear

2385
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:47,040
the Heat or anyone else who's seen a

2386
01:31:53,270 --> 01:31:49,679
similar object that you know describe if

2387
01:31:56,450 --> 01:31:53,280
the cube inside the spear was moving

2388
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:56,460
no haven't heard anything about salt

2389
01:32:00,470 --> 01:31:58,320
as far as I understand

2390
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:00,480
you have this upgraded system

2391
01:32:04,430 --> 01:32:02,880
prior to end you may I heard that you

2392
01:32:06,470 --> 01:32:04,440
can switch after it upgrade that's an

2393
01:32:08,330 --> 01:32:06,480
old system on the whole system you

2394
01:32:10,129 --> 01:32:08,340
wouldn't see these objects

2395
01:32:11,090 --> 01:32:10,139
but on the new system you were track

2396
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:11,100
right

2397
01:32:14,750 --> 01:32:12,480
yes

2398
01:32:16,610 --> 01:32:14,760
they'll hired you

2399
01:32:18,290 --> 01:32:16,620
your intuition obviously can't give a

2400
01:32:20,330 --> 01:32:18,300
definitive answer but is there a tuition

2401
01:32:23,090 --> 01:32:20,340
that perhaps they were there this entire

2402
01:32:25,310 --> 01:32:23,100
time or at least for

2403
01:32:27,169 --> 01:32:25,320
brief look before you harassment okay

2404
01:32:28,850 --> 01:32:27,179
it's just that we were we didn't have

2405
01:32:29,810 --> 01:32:28,860
the capabilities to pick them up or do

2406
01:32:31,129 --> 01:32:29,820
you think that for some reason it

2407
01:32:33,470 --> 01:32:31,139
correlated with as soon as we wrap the

2408
01:32:36,350 --> 01:32:33,480
new one there it's yeah my assumption is

2409
01:32:37,910 --> 01:32:36,360
that they were there before and that the

2410
01:32:39,530 --> 01:32:37,920
Creator capability of the radar made

2411
01:32:42,770 --> 01:32:39,540
them more apparent and there's some

2412
01:32:46,070 --> 01:32:42,780
anecdotal data on that topic whereas

2413
01:32:47,570 --> 01:32:46,080
some people I've spoken to have

2414
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:47,580
you know on this podcast I've had

2415
01:32:50,750 --> 01:32:49,199
experience at East Coast they were

2416
01:32:52,669 --> 01:32:50,760
having them before that rate I'll do

2417
01:32:54,530 --> 01:32:52,679
Veil and they weren't able to see the

2418
01:32:56,270 --> 01:32:54,540
objects but they were called out by the

2419
01:32:57,950 --> 01:32:56,280
controllers to happen go check it out

2420
01:32:59,570 --> 01:32:57,960
and the controllers have a different set

2421
01:33:01,970 --> 01:32:59,580
of instruments they had like a

2422
01:33:04,970 --> 01:33:01,980
ground-based radar that has different uh

2423
01:33:06,950 --> 01:33:04,980
tramples I'll say uh and our Airborne

2424
01:33:09,290 --> 01:33:06,960
ones he didn't see the objects he was

2425
01:33:11,169 --> 01:33:09,300
told to go intercepts and uh you can

2426
01:33:14,570 --> 01:33:11,179
listen to the interview with Mark Halsey

2427
01:33:16,430 --> 01:33:14,580
uh it was our our second interview uh

2428
01:33:19,310 --> 01:33:16,440
but we'll put something up on the page

2429
01:33:20,750 --> 01:33:19,320
that people can check it out uh but he

2430
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:20,760
he didn't see anything as radar he was

2431
01:33:25,010 --> 01:33:22,560
and this is a common procedure

2432
01:33:27,050 --> 01:33:25,020
especially for The Radars where he

2433
01:33:29,450 --> 01:33:27,060
essentially had to zoom the radar in on

2434
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:29,460
a piece of Sky more or less and that

2435
01:33:34,669 --> 01:33:32,159
allowed him to see the object where he

2436
01:33:37,490 --> 01:33:34,679
didn't have any radar contact before

2437
01:33:39,229 --> 01:33:37,500
and so that's an indication our example

2438
01:33:41,629 --> 01:33:39,239
of a time where although we didn't have

2439
01:33:44,209 --> 01:33:41,639
greater uh situational awareness to it

2440
01:33:45,649 --> 01:33:44,219
uh he was able to kind of zoom in and

2441
01:33:46,910 --> 01:33:45,659
then find the object so that kind of

2442
01:33:49,070 --> 01:33:46,920
leads us to believe that we're all there

2443
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:49,080
for long enough

2444
01:33:53,390 --> 01:33:51,120
or before we bought our Red Roof right

2445
01:33:55,910 --> 01:33:53,400
forgive me I don't know the name of the

2446
01:33:58,010 --> 01:33:55,920
systems that you use to detect but I

2447
01:34:01,010 --> 01:33:58,020
think you used super clear

2448
01:34:03,649 --> 01:34:01,020
do they have a refresh rate is it like

2449
01:34:07,129 --> 01:34:03,659
Arc so the flear is like a camera so

2450
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:07,139
camera system is IR infrared uh heat

2451
01:34:12,830 --> 01:34:10,560
energy uh Optical system and it can be

2452
01:34:16,370 --> 01:34:12,840
switched to like a pure camera mode like

2453
01:34:18,229 --> 01:34:16,380
visible wavelength upper camo uh and so

2454
01:34:19,850 --> 01:34:18,239
for that it's like any other camera I'm

2455
01:34:21,229 --> 01:34:19,860
sure there's a refresh rate

2456
01:34:23,390 --> 01:34:21,239
Delta too but not eight that's

2457
01:34:26,570 --> 01:34:23,400
noticeable in his heads maybe you're

2458
01:34:28,550 --> 01:34:26,580
thinking of the radar uh so on the 73

2459
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:28,560
there is kind of what's called like a b

2460
01:34:32,930 --> 01:34:30,480
Suite it's a mechanically scanner right

2461
01:34:35,209 --> 01:34:32,940
so there's a sweeping with that Acer

2462
01:34:38,209 --> 01:34:35,219
Radars operate digitally or differently

2463
01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:38,219
they're usually scanned array radar uh

2464
01:34:42,890 --> 01:34:39,840
but it's not going to go into here but

2465
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:42,900
uh essentially uh the refresh rate is

2466
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:44,639
much better

2467
01:34:49,430 --> 01:34:46,800
oh on the on the sweeping the refresh

2468
01:34:52,189 --> 01:34:49,440
rate is okay okay so when you see the

2469
01:34:56,090 --> 01:34:52,199
object and it's making a

2470
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:56,100
shambling pattern as a golfer

2471
01:35:01,070 --> 01:34:58,800
are you see that much like it's been

2472
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:01,080
here then here no your action tenure

2473
01:35:06,530 --> 01:35:04,320
strain continuous smooth analog yeah

2474
01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:06,540
it's not skipping out of the radar

2475
01:35:10,910 --> 01:35:08,639
what is skipping is the target aspect of

2476
01:35:12,350 --> 01:35:10,920
the Creator which if our radar contact

2477
01:35:14,510 --> 01:35:12,360
just looks like a circle that's really

2478
01:35:15,770 --> 01:35:14,520
moving that Target aspect is an arrow

2479
01:35:17,930 --> 01:35:15,780
that points in the direction he's moving

2480
01:35:20,270 --> 01:35:17,940
to show where he's going more clearly

2481
01:35:22,310 --> 01:35:20,280
like an arrow and that will kind of like

2482
01:35:25,010 --> 01:35:22,320
skip around or so normally that's smooth

2483
01:35:27,770 --> 01:35:25,020
so if it's an aircraft that Arrow kind

2484
01:35:29,390 --> 01:35:27,780
of just moves smoothly but for this that

2485
01:35:31,010 --> 01:35:29,400
Arrow will kind of Dart around we didn't

2486
01:35:33,110 --> 01:35:31,020
necessarily represent the direction it

2487
01:35:34,910 --> 01:35:33,120
was going to see like it seemed the

2488
01:35:37,850 --> 01:35:34,920
radar seem to have a hard time picking

2489
01:35:39,110 --> 01:35:37,860
up the directionality of the object they

2490
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,120
see a seat

2491
01:35:43,250 --> 01:35:41,280
even though it was actually showing it

2492
01:35:46,010 --> 01:35:43,260
moving it's that you know that

2493
01:35:48,410 --> 01:35:46,020
particular subject I struggle and that's

2494
01:35:49,610 --> 01:35:48,420
how I identified on the radar just

2495
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:49,620
looking out and seeing them because they

2496
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:50,880
would kind of have that scattered

2497
01:35:54,410 --> 01:35:52,320
appears to it where everything else is

2498
01:35:56,090 --> 01:35:54,420
very smooth so I had a higher confidence

2499
01:35:58,129 --> 01:35:56,100
so that was one of those objects that

2500
01:36:00,649 --> 01:35:58,139
just normal air travel are you seeing

2501
01:36:02,270 --> 01:36:00,659
them as blips or you see it seeing an

2502
01:36:05,030 --> 01:36:02,280
actual shade

2503
01:36:06,410 --> 01:36:05,040
uh it's on the radar with everything is

2504
01:36:08,570 --> 01:36:06,420
just a graphical display that doesn't

2505
01:36:11,390 --> 01:36:08,580
represent reality and you know it's on

2506
01:36:13,310 --> 01:36:11,400
icon you know versus like yeah yeah

2507
01:36:15,649 --> 01:36:13,320
exactly uh

2508
01:36:18,169 --> 01:36:15,659
on the flear

2509
01:36:20,570 --> 01:36:18,179
we would see I would see you know the IR

2510
01:36:23,450 --> 01:36:20,580
Source look like I got someone's sharing

2511
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:23,460
a flashlight at the Fleer so one scene

2512
01:36:30,169 --> 01:36:26,880
like a three-dimensional object uh

2513
01:36:31,790 --> 01:36:30,179
that makes sense yo like this is a

2514
01:36:33,890 --> 01:36:31,800
common experience this isn't just yours

2515
01:36:35,689 --> 01:36:33,900
like other people similarly see it as

2516
01:36:37,070 --> 01:36:35,699
the as if it's questioned to them even

2517
01:36:40,850 --> 01:36:37,080
if they're in a different area not

2518
01:36:43,070 --> 01:36:40,860
flashing but like yes

2519
01:36:45,050 --> 01:36:43,080
uh I I don't know right anecdotically

2520
01:36:47,090 --> 01:36:45,060
yes these are his questions warning

2521
01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:47,100
considering at the time you know like

2522
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:49,440
getting into this much detail on it uh

2523
01:36:53,570 --> 01:36:51,840
but I I just couple anecdote cases yes

2524
01:36:54,530 --> 01:36:53,580
that's how it's been described in the

2525
01:36:56,330 --> 01:36:54,540
other field

2526
01:36:58,790 --> 01:36:56,340
for your podcaster and getting people

2527
01:37:02,149 --> 01:36:58,800
from on your spot your squadron to come

2528
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:02,159
on yep uh I don't want to do any names

2529
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:04,080
right now but we do have some Pilots

2530
01:37:08,450 --> 01:37:06,480
that were no subscriber mates of mine at

2531
01:37:10,189 --> 01:37:08,460
the time uh that will be talking about

2532
01:37:11,810 --> 01:37:10,199
their experiences with these objects for

2533
01:37:14,030 --> 01:37:11,820
the first time publicly

2534
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:14,040
when you experience then do you tell

2535
01:37:19,550 --> 01:37:17,280
your higher ups about them

2536
01:37:20,990 --> 01:37:19,560
our son you're up at the Squadron it is

2537
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:21,000
essentially our commanding officer who

2538
01:37:24,649 --> 01:37:23,280
you know more or less the the mom or dad

2539
01:37:26,030 --> 01:37:24,659
of the Squadron essentially so they're

2540
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:26,040
kind of involved at the day-to-day

2541
01:37:29,570 --> 01:37:27,600
conversation so they're very well aware

2542
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:29,580
of it now what they communicate out of

2543
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:31,199
the sponsor you know his unit command is

2544
01:37:34,610 --> 01:37:32,880
really where you know I don't

2545
01:37:35,930 --> 01:37:34,620
necessarily have visibility to that but

2546
01:37:37,490 --> 01:37:35,940
that would be the more important

2547
01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:37,500
communication that you're referring to

2548
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:40,080
and up to chain and I know it did get

2549
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:42,000
passed up the chain to a certain degree

2550
01:37:45,410 --> 01:37:43,920
but then it just kind of went nowhere it

2551
01:37:47,689 --> 01:37:45,420
reserves nowhere for it to go

2552
01:37:49,189 --> 01:37:47,699
essentially are you sure what nowhere or

2553
01:37:50,570 --> 01:37:49,199
well I'm not sure that's an assumption

2554
01:37:52,729 --> 01:37:50,580
right from our perspective in the

2555
01:37:54,350 --> 01:37:52,739
Squadron you know we set we we passed it

2556
01:37:55,970 --> 01:37:54,360
up and that was that but where it

2557
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:55,980
actually ended up from our perspective

2558
01:38:00,169 --> 01:37:58,080
meaning that nothing changed you weren't

2559
01:38:01,850 --> 01:38:00,179
followed out with correct and So

2560
01:38:03,229 --> 01:38:01,860
eventually we almost had a deer of

2561
01:38:06,530 --> 01:38:03,239
mid-air with one of these objects which

2562
01:38:09,950 --> 01:38:06,540
required a safety report to be filed uh

2563
01:38:11,570 --> 01:38:09,960
and so we filed a hazard report uh on

2564
01:38:13,490 --> 01:38:11,580
that near midair and that's you know

2565
01:38:17,629 --> 01:38:13,500
from the incident where described as a

2566
01:38:20,450 --> 01:38:17,639
sphered q or excuse me Cube inch view uh

2567
01:38:21,770 --> 01:38:20,460
and that was that was another way it was

2568
01:38:23,090 --> 01:38:21,780
passed up the chain in the scent

2569
01:38:23,930 --> 01:38:23,100
although those reports aren't really

2570
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:23,940
like

2571
01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:30,960
than a proactive safety you know

2572
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:34,080
prevention mechanism uh but you know

2573
01:38:37,550 --> 01:38:36,000
boltons do go out so people are getting

2574
01:38:38,930 --> 01:38:37,560
some general awareness so it's better

2575
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:38,940
than nothing

2576
01:38:44,330 --> 01:38:40,800
so I'm just imagining I'm the commanding

2577
01:38:47,390 --> 01:38:44,340
officer if I hear my people are

2578
01:38:49,790 --> 01:38:47,400
encountering some objects I would think

2579
01:38:52,250 --> 01:38:49,800
perhaps that's some debris but also it

2580
01:38:54,410 --> 01:38:52,260
could be an adversary we need to pro

2581
01:38:56,750 --> 01:38:54,420
pack did we go and check that out once

2582
01:38:58,370 --> 01:38:56,760
in order to work the place more does

2583
01:39:01,310 --> 01:38:58,380
that happen

2584
01:39:03,709 --> 01:39:01,320
are they are there missions specifically

2585
01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:03,719
tied to the fight and suffix no but

2586
01:39:08,390 --> 01:39:05,760
there are opportunities to do so I would

2587
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:08,400
say uh well I'll say this in our during

2588
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:09,840
the time period off the east coast there

2589
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:11,520
was that's the only time period I can

2590
01:39:15,169 --> 01:39:13,199
really speak to

2591
01:39:16,610 --> 01:39:15,179
um and we were not watching on any type

2592
01:39:17,689 --> 01:39:16,620
of Mission to go investigate these we

2593
01:39:19,370 --> 01:39:17,699
were just trying to stay away from them

2594
01:39:21,470 --> 01:39:19,380
as much as possible essentially so we

2595
01:39:23,450 --> 01:39:21,480
could get our job done and what that

2596
01:39:25,910 --> 01:39:23,460
looked like sometimes was us having to

2597
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:25,920
cancel an event or to remove an event

2598
01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:28,320
because that area had objects in it and

2599
01:39:32,689 --> 01:39:30,960
it would interfere with our training uh

2600
01:39:34,669 --> 01:39:32,699
or even halfway through our training the

2601
01:39:36,050 --> 01:39:34,679
objects that would come into our area

2602
01:39:38,090 --> 01:39:36,060
and so we'd have to knock off the

2603
01:39:39,770 --> 01:39:38,100
training somewhere else did you find it

2604
01:39:41,689 --> 01:39:39,780
odd that you weren't or that other

2605
01:39:44,810 --> 01:39:41,699
people weren't sent to go and look at

2606
01:39:48,890 --> 01:39:46,729
they didn't see odd to us that there

2607
01:39:51,709 --> 01:39:48,900
wasn't someone for that I think maybe it

2608
01:39:54,350 --> 01:39:51,719
was would have been nice but

2609
01:39:55,970 --> 01:39:54,360
yeah and we we were just so caught with

2610
01:39:58,669 --> 01:39:55,980
trying to do what we needed to do in

2611
01:40:00,890 --> 01:39:58,679
such a busy time that

2612
01:40:03,550 --> 01:40:00,900
we didn't really put any

2613
01:40:06,649 --> 01:40:03,560
you know real thinking into

2614
01:40:08,030 --> 01:40:06,659
pragmatic or proactive Solutions you

2615
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:08,040
know it was just hey we're going to do a

2616
01:40:12,649 --> 01:40:10,320
flight and if this is a debris point for

2617
01:40:14,270 --> 01:40:12,659
us to talk about that's where it ended

2618
01:40:15,950 --> 01:40:14,280
not to say that's the best answer but

2619
01:40:17,930 --> 01:40:15,960
that's what it was like yeah yeah

2620
01:40:20,930 --> 01:40:17,940
remember how we talked about the absence

2621
01:40:22,910 --> 01:40:20,940
of evidence to me this is one of the why

2622
01:40:27,470 --> 01:40:22,920
again if I was but I don't know anything

2623
01:40:29,629 --> 01:40:27,480
about us we're the podcaster

2624
01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:29,639
so if I was a

2625
01:40:33,410 --> 01:40:31,440
commanding officer of this hail King

2626
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:33,420
look these people we encountered this at

2627
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:35,520
least twice a given that the second the

2628
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:37,679
first time most likely goes certainly

2629
01:40:43,310 --> 01:40:38,880
the same

2630
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:46,790
isn't some protocol

2631
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,410
or maybe the commanding officer as

2632
01:40:52,970 --> 01:40:50,400
leeway doesn't require the protocol why

2633
01:40:55,490 --> 01:40:52,980
do you think it is that

2634
01:40:57,110 --> 01:40:55,500
in your case as far as you know unless

2635
01:40:58,430 --> 01:40:57,120
you know about if she's really actively

2636
01:41:00,290 --> 01:40:58,440
set out to be able to investigate

2637
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:00,300
whether it's like why doesn't happen

2638
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:03,360
world especially if it's recurring like

2639
01:41:08,570 --> 01:41:04,800
and you have to cancel something because

2640
01:41:11,090 --> 01:41:08,580
of it in here tell me it's Siri well uh

2641
01:41:13,129 --> 01:41:11,100
I think part of it is that I don't think

2642
01:41:14,450 --> 01:41:13,139
we really have the tools perhaps in a

2643
01:41:16,490 --> 01:41:14,460
lot of cases

2644
01:41:18,830 --> 01:41:16,500
um so I know people have kind of half

2645
01:41:20,510 --> 01:41:18,840
jokely said hey if you can't go do our

2646
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:20,520
bet we'll go try to check out one of

2647
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:23,040
these UAP things and have done it and

2648
01:41:26,510 --> 01:41:24,960
have seen it as a cube in a sphere you

2649
01:41:31,850 --> 01:41:26,520
know uh

2650
01:41:33,770 --> 01:41:31,860
but the actual jet is not a good tool to

2651
01:41:35,570 --> 01:41:33,780
scientifically determine what these are

2652
01:41:37,550 --> 01:41:35,580
or tools are made for very specific

2653
01:41:39,410 --> 01:41:37,560
tasks so other than just like physically

2654
01:41:40,910 --> 01:41:39,420
trying to slow down we can't even slow

2655
01:41:44,510 --> 01:41:40,920
it out so much right so at best we're

2656
01:41:46,910 --> 01:41:44,520
getting like 100 120 knot pass on this

2657
01:41:48,830 --> 01:41:46,920
object that's potentially stationary

2658
01:41:50,990 --> 01:41:48,840
did you buy it for a you know Split

2659
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:51,000
Second and that's our data Gathering we

2660
01:41:55,310 --> 01:41:52,800
could lock it up with a radar from dude

2661
01:41:57,169 --> 01:41:55,320
you know almost the way The Radars work

2662
01:41:59,450 --> 01:41:57,179
you know you don't have to explain it at

2663
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:59,460
something per se so you know these

2664
01:42:04,430 --> 01:42:01,199
things are likely eating Pink by Radars

2665
01:42:06,770 --> 01:42:04,440
all the time so you need you know your

2666
01:42:08,090 --> 01:42:06,780
own tool set you need to you know

2667
01:42:11,870 --> 01:42:08,100
understand exactly what you're looking

2668
01:42:14,930 --> 01:42:11,880
for tap perhaps modify current sensors

2669
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:14,940
to be able to uh you know look for the

2670
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:16,800
signal that he's been putting out

2671
01:42:22,189 --> 01:42:19,920
uh and you get anybody to do that you

2672
01:42:24,290 --> 01:42:22,199
need a team and you need equipment to

2673
01:42:25,609 --> 01:42:24,300
carry Those sensors up there these are

2674
01:42:28,609 --> 01:42:25,619
all things I think that are very

2675
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:28,619
cheapable uh Solutions but we just

2676
01:42:33,410 --> 01:42:30,960
haven't been looking at this problem

2677
01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:33,420
but we haven't taken very seriously and

2678
01:42:37,550 --> 01:42:35,040
it's taking a lot of work to even get

2679
01:42:39,470 --> 01:42:37,560
where we are today but where we are

2680
01:42:41,870 --> 01:42:39,480
today is with the all-time online

2681
01:42:44,570 --> 01:42:41,880
resolution office with NASA's

2682
01:42:48,050 --> 01:42:44,580
independent study team with the Aiwa

2683
01:42:49,970 --> 01:42:48,060
pioc group uh we see these organizations

2684
01:42:52,430 --> 01:42:49,980
standing up that can bring that kind of

2685
01:42:54,050 --> 01:42:52,440
a investigatory power to this it's just

2686
01:42:56,209 --> 01:42:54,060
taking longer I think that we all would

2687
01:42:57,709 --> 01:42:56,219
have lot liked but we're seeing that

2688
01:43:00,290 --> 01:42:57,719
kind of pull the government approach now

2689
01:43:02,629 --> 01:43:00,300
I think start to stand out

2690
01:43:04,189 --> 01:43:02,639
the absence of a protocol for what to do

2691
01:43:05,930 --> 01:43:04,199
when you encounter one of these or at

2692
01:43:07,609 --> 01:43:05,940
least the current absence of what does

2693
01:43:09,830 --> 01:43:07,619
that indicate anything to you there's

2694
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:09,840
not a car absence right now there is a

2695
01:43:14,689 --> 01:43:12,000
standardized reporting procedure in the

2696
01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:14,699
Navy right now then Air Force has spoken

2697
01:43:18,770 --> 01:43:17,520
about a standardized procedure uh in the

2698
01:43:21,410 --> 01:43:18,780
past although they're not very public

2699
01:43:22,729 --> 01:43:21,420
with what they're executing on today

2700
01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:22,739
uh

2701
01:43:31,609 --> 01:43:29,520
gap at them a little bit I see you know

2702
01:43:33,229 --> 01:43:31,619
the whole previous you know generation

2703
01:43:34,970 --> 01:43:33,239
of conversation around this as a

2704
01:43:36,890 --> 01:43:34,980
potential Gap but you know at least

2705
01:43:38,510 --> 01:43:36,900
starting with the UAP task force report

2706
01:43:42,050 --> 01:43:38,520
and the reported from the Navy and well

2707
01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:42,060
144 cases so we are starting to uh go

2708
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:44,639
down that uh so I agree with you before

2709
01:43:48,530 --> 01:43:46,560
that but now we seem to be in a slightly

2710
01:43:49,250 --> 01:43:48,540
different Paradigm or I won't even say

2711
01:43:50,870 --> 01:43:49,260
slightly just a different

2712
01:43:52,970 --> 01:43:50,880
paranormalities openness and

2713
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:52,980
communication on this topic ever since

2714
01:43:56,930 --> 01:43:55,199
what year of what year was that the oh

2715
01:43:58,729 --> 01:43:56,940
well we had our first we had the UAP

2716
01:44:01,910 --> 01:43:58,739
task force report

2717
01:44:02,990 --> 01:44:01,920
and what they did was they reported uh

2718
01:44:13,729 --> 01:44:03,000
the

2719
01:44:18,169 --> 01:44:13,739
period for for that was 2004 to I think

2720
01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:18,179
2020 or 2019 but about 80 percent of

2721
01:44:22,669 --> 01:44:20,639
those cases if not more were from the

2722
01:44:25,310 --> 01:44:22,679
very recent past since the Navy started

2723
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:25,320
recording these objects so you have you

2724
01:44:30,770 --> 01:44:28,560
know about 2018 to 2020

2725
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:30,780
and then you have a probably a case in

2726
01:44:35,870 --> 01:44:33,840
2004 most likely the Tic Tac

2727
01:44:37,550 --> 01:44:35,880
if there's cases in between that

2728
01:44:38,990 --> 01:44:37,560
reporting start and the Tic Tac I don't

2729
01:44:42,649 --> 01:44:39,000
know wherever they're part of the report

2730
01:44:44,689 --> 01:44:42,659
and so you see you know uh a number call

2731
01:44:47,689 --> 01:44:44,699
it 100 perhaps or just in the past

2732
01:44:51,169 --> 01:44:47,699
couple years uh on Instagram WAP from

2733
01:44:57,649 --> 01:44:54,410
why all sudden do they have this task

2734
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:57,659
force I think it's you know I think it's

2735
01:45:01,250 --> 01:44:59,280
a lot of what it looks like from outside

2736
01:45:03,050 --> 01:45:01,260
which is you know there's been enough

2737
01:45:04,729 --> 01:45:03,060
screaming decline yelling from the

2738
01:45:06,410 --> 01:45:04,739
people of jets to say hey this is a

2739
01:45:08,330 --> 01:45:06,420
safety problem and that someone needs to

2740
01:45:10,729 --> 01:45:08,340
pay attention not only is it a safety

2741
01:45:12,410 --> 01:45:10,739
problem but you know you zoom out and we

2742
01:45:14,930 --> 01:45:12,420
see very clearly that this could be a

2743
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:14,940
national security concern as well not

2744
01:45:19,729 --> 01:45:18,000
just from uh what we call uh Elite or

2745
01:45:22,189 --> 01:45:19,739
electronic intelligence things of that

2746
01:45:24,290 --> 01:45:22,199
nature where people could be observing

2747
01:45:26,450 --> 01:45:24,300
our tactics and our admissions for the

2748
01:45:28,189 --> 01:45:26,460
Jets on this Coast but even what this

2749
01:45:29,870 --> 01:45:28,199
you know Chinese balloon that's you know

2750
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:29,880
meandered across the country recently

2751
01:45:33,470 --> 01:45:31,679
and we see you know how susceptible we

2752
01:45:36,050 --> 01:45:33,480
could be to be saying so why we can't

2753
01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:36,060
just have uncertainty in our airspace so

2754
01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:38,400
it's very simple if this is a you know

2755
01:45:41,689 --> 01:45:40,560
if we think this is a foreign drone do

2756
01:45:43,669 --> 01:45:41,699
we need to treat this as national

2757
01:45:45,350 --> 01:45:43,679
security threat at least something we

2758
01:45:47,629 --> 01:45:45,360
need to look into from that perspective

2759
01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:47,639
and if it's anything else that we just

2760
01:45:51,350 --> 01:45:49,440
need to treat this as a scientific issue

2761
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:51,360
and be curious about it

2762
01:45:55,070 --> 01:45:53,040
in other words it was bound to happen at

2763
01:45:57,109 --> 01:45:55,080
some point it's just it just happened to

2764
01:45:59,330 --> 01:45:57,119
happen at 2020. we're getting receiving

2765
01:46:02,090 --> 01:45:59,340
more we have better data we had date and

2766
01:46:03,770 --> 01:46:02,100
data links and so gather data in a sense

2767
01:46:05,209 --> 01:46:03,780
now is almost trivial we're always

2768
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:05,219
Gathering dude and so you know

2769
01:46:08,510 --> 01:46:06,960
eventually it's just hard more of the

2770
01:46:11,750 --> 01:46:08,520
issue

2771
01:46:13,850 --> 01:46:11,760
and so are we seeing them okay are the

2772
01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:13,860
pilots reporting up more

2773
01:46:18,890 --> 01:46:15,600
now whatever increasing frequency

2774
01:46:20,629 --> 01:46:18,900
because they have increased radar or

2775
01:46:22,790 --> 01:46:20,639
or do

2776
01:46:24,050 --> 01:46:22,800
you surmise or you have some reason to

2777
01:46:26,810 --> 01:46:24,060
believe

2778
01:46:29,390 --> 01:46:26,820
by the conjecture that

2779
01:46:32,090 --> 01:46:29,400
they're appearing more recently

2780
01:46:34,729 --> 01:46:32,100
I have and again anecdotal indications

2781
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:34,739
that it does seem to be increasing

2782
01:46:38,810 --> 01:46:36,480
it's not just that we're able to pick up

2783
01:46:40,430 --> 01:46:38,820
on the more Europe here I think it both

2784
01:46:44,750 --> 01:46:40,440
probably I mean I'm intuiting that's

2785
01:46:47,689 --> 01:46:44,760
both but now I do think that uh I do 100

2786
01:46:50,570 --> 01:46:47,699
confident it's due to more reporting and

2787
01:46:51,950 --> 01:46:50,580
better sensors but I think there is an

2788
01:46:53,810 --> 01:46:51,960
aspect where it seems to be happening

2789
01:46:55,609 --> 01:46:53,820
more I don't know it you know maybe

2790
01:46:57,470 --> 01:46:55,619
that's five percent of the overall maybe

2791
01:46:59,629 --> 01:46:57,480
it's 30 maybe it's five but it does seem

2792
01:47:02,750 --> 01:46:59,639
to a small part but at least that's how

2793
01:47:07,550 --> 01:47:02,760
I Intuit it that's it

2794
01:47:13,129 --> 01:47:11,510
I was this whole topic make you feel

2795
01:47:16,729 --> 01:47:13,139
well you know it can be an exhausting

2796
01:47:17,570 --> 01:47:16,739
topic uh as I'm sure you're aware with

2797
01:47:21,830 --> 01:47:17,580
the

2798
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:21,840
you deal with now this is very much you

2799
01:47:24,830 --> 01:47:23,280
know like you said ride on a roller

2800
01:47:27,050 --> 01:47:24,840
coaster sometimes you're not sure how

2801
01:47:29,930 --> 01:47:27,060
how secure the tracks are bailed down in

2802
01:47:32,330 --> 01:47:29,940
a sense uh but it's like anything else

2803
01:47:34,910 --> 01:47:32,340
that I've done in my life it's just an

2804
01:47:36,770 --> 01:47:34,920
execution of discipline you know and I

2805
01:47:39,350 --> 01:47:36,780
think anyone can really explore this

2806
01:47:41,330 --> 01:47:39,360
topic without fear of embarrassment or

2807
01:47:42,950 --> 01:47:41,340
you know the laughter if they just be

2808
01:47:44,689 --> 01:47:42,960
disciplined in their thoughts and they

2809
01:47:46,609 --> 01:47:44,699
just treat it as you know a thought

2810
01:47:48,350 --> 01:47:46,619
experiment to consider what that would

2811
01:47:50,149 --> 01:47:48,360
be to accept an assumption for a little

2812
01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:50,159
while and explore what that world looks

2813
01:47:54,530 --> 01:47:52,560
like when events a lot of times we don't

2814
01:47:56,090 --> 01:47:54,540
the scene seem to have the courage to

2815
01:47:57,770 --> 01:47:56,100
make those kind of small leaps because

2816
01:48:00,709 --> 01:47:57,780
they're too far outside of the median

2817
01:48:02,689 --> 01:48:00,719
and our social culture

2818
01:48:03,410 --> 01:48:02,699
but I think we're making progress you

2819
01:48:05,149 --> 01:48:03,420
know

2820
01:48:07,609 --> 01:48:05,159
there's been a latent interest in this

2821
01:48:09,169 --> 01:48:07,619
topic and more we talk about it and the

2822
01:48:10,490 --> 01:48:09,179
more people see that we cheat in a

2823
01:48:13,129 --> 01:48:10,500
serious manner the more people are going

2824
01:48:15,169 --> 01:48:13,139
to want to join that conversation

2825
01:48:17,149 --> 01:48:15,179
do you know anyone who clients don't end

2826
01:48:19,550 --> 01:48:17,159
up ducked you know

2827
01:48:21,890 --> 01:48:19,560
but apparently in the giggle video after

2828
01:48:25,250 --> 01:48:21,900
the video cuts off the gimbal or the

2829
01:48:27,050 --> 01:48:25,260
object in the video did I hear myself

2830
01:48:30,290 --> 01:48:27,060
did something

2831
01:48:33,050 --> 01:48:30,300
do you know about that what did it do uh

2832
01:48:35,990 --> 01:48:33,060
I'll just say that the uh the rocking

2833
01:48:39,050 --> 01:48:36,000
Behavior received intensified

2834
01:48:41,450 --> 01:48:39,060
um we see you know some movement uh at

2835
01:48:45,530 --> 01:48:41,460
least yeah there was continued unstable

2836
01:48:47,629 --> 01:48:45,540
kind of rocking movement in a sense uh

2837
01:48:48,590 --> 01:48:47,639
that's that's all it's saying that in

2838
01:48:50,450 --> 01:48:48,600
front

2839
01:48:52,370 --> 01:48:50,460
that's all you'll say because it's all

2840
01:48:55,010 --> 01:48:52,380
you can sing or that's all legally

2841
01:48:57,530 --> 01:48:55,020
inside no legal I have no legal

2842
01:49:00,410 --> 01:48:57,540
constraints so I've never sign an Nea

2843
01:49:01,790 --> 01:49:00,420
this was never a classified topics or

2844
01:49:04,850 --> 01:49:01,800
anything like that you know these will

2845
01:49:06,590 --> 01:49:04,860
just been my experiences but uh I think

2846
01:49:07,550 --> 01:49:06,600
we should wait till the air crew

2847
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:07,560
themselves have the opportunity to

2848
01:49:10,430 --> 01:49:09,119
explain what they saw so I don't speak

2849
01:49:12,050 --> 01:49:10,440
for them

2850
01:49:14,810 --> 01:49:12,060
have you experienced any other

2851
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:14,820
phenomenons in society when I say citing

2852
01:49:19,729 --> 01:49:16,800
read quotations because he buys and see

2853
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:19,739
it with a radar sure oh

2854
01:49:24,530 --> 01:49:22,320
I don't think so

2855
01:49:28,010 --> 01:49:24,540
um not like you know I don't like see

2856
01:49:31,129 --> 01:49:28,020
you you UFO or WIP on any that regular

2857
01:49:32,570 --> 01:49:31,139
basis or anything like that or uh or

2858
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:32,580
something hitchhiker effect that you've

2859
01:49:37,010 --> 01:49:34,800
heard yeah you know I'm Loosely familiar

2860
01:49:39,109 --> 01:49:37,020
with that concept uh

2861
01:49:43,129 --> 01:49:39,119
I'll say I have no quantitative data to

2862
01:49:45,590 --> 01:49:43,139
say that I've had those experiences

2863
01:49:50,689 --> 01:49:45,600
but pointy David seems to be lacking in

2864
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:52,850
so up the fellow Pilots especially those

2865
01:49:57,290 --> 01:49:55,920
that need proximity to it do you find

2866
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:57,300
that they have experienced something

2867
01:50:01,490 --> 01:49:59,040
afterward whether it's an increase in

2868
01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:01,500
the frequency of the sightings of it or

2869
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:02,880
something that has

2870
01:50:10,850 --> 01:50:05,520
Fallen available answer the question uh

2871
01:50:16,129 --> 01:50:13,070
do you remember this is

2872
01:50:18,290 --> 01:50:16,139
still the stigmatized topic and there's

2873
01:50:21,050 --> 01:50:18,300
still a threat of you know

2874
01:50:22,189 --> 01:50:21,060
professional risk and and things of that

2875
01:50:24,590 --> 01:50:22,199
nature

2876
01:50:26,090 --> 01:50:24,600
even losing a medical license things of

2877
01:50:28,129 --> 01:50:26,100
that nature so people are still very

2878
01:50:29,930 --> 01:50:28,139
much not comfortable about talking about

2879
01:50:31,250 --> 01:50:29,940
this and a lot of the planets I have

2880
01:50:33,109 --> 01:50:31,260
been speaking to are either close to

2881
01:50:37,010 --> 01:50:33,119
retirement or have got out of the

2882
01:50:38,570 --> 01:50:37,020
military uh so

2883
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:38,580
triple that for you know medical

2884
01:50:42,290 --> 01:50:40,560
substitutions thinking that nature

2885
01:50:44,930 --> 01:50:42,300
highlights are the last group that

2886
01:50:46,250 --> 01:50:44,940
lovely talks about you know and uh

2887
01:50:47,870 --> 01:50:46,260
health problems they have because

2888
01:50:50,330 --> 01:50:47,880
everyone's terrified of losing their

2889
01:50:52,250 --> 01:50:50,340
source of income and their job for you

2890
01:50:54,770 --> 01:50:52,260
know aging or what have you

2891
01:50:56,450 --> 01:50:54,780
what's your opinion on Bob and Sir

2892
01:50:58,129 --> 01:50:56,460
um

2893
01:50:59,450 --> 01:50:58,139
I've just you know I've said before I

2894
01:51:01,850 --> 01:50:59,460
would like to believe what you had to

2895
01:51:05,209 --> 01:51:01,860
say in their son you know some

2896
01:51:07,189 --> 01:51:05,219
interesting parts of his story that uh

2897
01:51:09,169 --> 01:51:07,199
I think require validation hopefully we

2898
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:09,179
could do that one day but this is a

2899
01:51:16,070 --> 01:51:12,239
topic that has so much like cultural

2900
01:51:18,350 --> 01:51:16,080
baggage and history to it that uh

2901
01:51:20,450 --> 01:51:18,360
I don't really trust anyone in a sense

2902
01:51:22,970 --> 01:51:20,460
right I'm eager for the opportunity to

2903
01:51:25,430 --> 01:51:22,980
validate people's experiences I look

2904
01:51:27,950 --> 01:51:25,440
forward to opportunities to do so

2905
01:51:29,390 --> 01:51:27,960
what's the most compelling UFO sighting

2906
01:51:31,550 --> 01:51:29,400
story that you would call

2907
01:51:34,609 --> 01:51:31,560
all right that I've been told that I'd

2908
01:51:37,310 --> 01:51:34,619
have to say it Forevers how about Alan

2909
01:51:38,689 --> 01:51:37,320
to chew the propelling uh and I think

2910
01:51:41,149 --> 01:51:38,699
most people listen to this are going to

2911
01:51:42,530 --> 01:51:41,159
be familiar with that one and be with

2912
01:51:44,510 --> 01:51:42,540
free restore which is very detailed

2913
01:51:46,430 --> 01:51:44,520
involved multiple sensors or the force

2914
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:46,440
of multiple things uh militant

2915
01:51:51,649 --> 01:51:48,719
integrated equipment into that nature

2916
01:51:53,450 --> 01:51:51,659
so that's very compelling to me

2917
01:51:55,609 --> 01:51:53,460
um and but I have a special place by

2918
01:51:59,090 --> 01:51:55,619
heart received for these stories that

2919
01:52:01,370 --> 01:51:59,100
evolve children in schools you know if

2920
01:52:03,590 --> 01:52:01,380
there's a case in Zimbabwe

2921
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:03,600
and these are these are you know

2922
01:52:06,830 --> 01:52:04,800
obviously on the other end of the

2923
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:06,840
spectrum right there's no military grade

2924
01:52:10,850 --> 01:52:09,360
sensors or putting in or Dana lakes or

2925
01:52:12,410 --> 01:52:10,860
evidence but

2926
01:52:14,510 --> 01:52:12,420
the house

2927
01:52:16,510 --> 01:52:14,520
children like that telling the story in

2928
01:52:18,890 --> 01:52:16,520
such a manner all in the same place

2929
01:52:21,530 --> 01:52:18,900
incredibly been telling to powerful I

2930
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:21,540
think and you know

2931
01:52:26,270 --> 01:52:23,520
again purely subjected but I think those

2932
01:52:28,090 --> 01:52:26,280
are just social calling

2933
01:52:30,169 --> 01:52:28,100
it was great speaking with you man

2934
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:30,179
fantastic speaking without wild Clark

2935
01:52:33,709 --> 01:52:32,159
something by the way please

2936
01:52:35,270 --> 01:52:33,719
well there's several of them want to be

2937
01:52:37,430 --> 01:52:35,280
deployed that so I'll put something

2938
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:37,440
that's not mine remember we spoke about

2939
01:52:42,169 --> 01:52:41,040
how Carl Zumi how how Carl you abuse you

2940
01:52:43,850 --> 01:52:42,179
of follows that it has to do with

2941
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:43,860
Transcendence meeting spiritual broke

2942
01:52:48,109 --> 01:52:46,320
and so on so the work of Diana pasoka

2943
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:48,119
this is why her work is so important

2944
01:52:53,030 --> 01:52:50,880
because she sees the UFO phenomen where

2945
01:52:56,570 --> 01:52:53,040
the studies that do religious lens

2946
01:52:58,970 --> 01:52:56,580
not to say that UFOs are

2947
01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:58,980
not to stay not to say that the study of

2948
01:53:02,570 --> 01:53:00,480
UFOs is like

2949
01:53:05,209 --> 01:53:02,580
or religion of Assortment it's more

2950
01:53:07,490 --> 01:53:05,219
nuanced than that

2951
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:07,500
so

2952
01:53:11,810 --> 01:53:09,840
I just wanted to pluck her work

2953
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:11,820
I think you should speak with her I've

2954
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:13,679
spoken with her on the on I've spoken

2955
01:53:19,070 --> 01:53:16,800
with her on the tow podcast it's all

2956
01:53:20,510 --> 01:53:19,080
in the club again around sometime and I

2957
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:20,520
appreciate you taking a trip up here in

2958
01:53:24,590 --> 01:53:22,320
New England to be on this uh I know your

2959
01:53:26,209 --> 01:53:24,600
podcast you do from your house or from

2960
01:53:28,729 --> 01:53:26,219
your home office but

2961
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:28,739
um you can't have no kitchen well thanks

2962
01:53:32,689 --> 01:53:30,000
for making the trip out to New Hampshire

2963
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:32,699
yeah well your set is fantastic people

2964
01:53:36,350 --> 01:53:34,800
can't see behind but it's it's wonderful

2965
01:53:37,729 --> 01:53:36,360
thank you

2966
01:53:39,950 --> 01:53:37,739
all right

2967
01:53:41,510 --> 01:53:39,960
anything else oh I think that's it

2968
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:41,520
thanks thanks for coming on up we're not

2969
01:53:44,689 --> 01:53:43,199
I'm not sure where this Theory this part

2970
01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:44,699
but thanks for coming on the tow podcast

2971
01:53:48,950 --> 01:53:47,280
and if not there that thank you for

2972
01:53:51,410 --> 01:53:48,960
allowing me to thank you for inviting me

2973
01:53:52,970 --> 01:53:51,420
out to the Birch podcast you're good uh

2974
01:53:54,770 --> 01:53:52,980
for those watching thank you for